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dorion_road: gentoo package management has gone
through a lot change over
the years. I've used gentoo regularly since 2016, but am looking forward
to lobbes article on ebuilds because I still haven't grasped
that complexity.
dorion_road: the second is
the python script baggae with USE flag system
that makes gentoo gentoo for better and worse. I
think
the package management is
the biggest value in gentoo, but I don't yet know
the cost/benefit of
tameing it with V.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 12:10:35 BingoBoingo:
These costs can
take a number of forms, but
the big one seems
to be... Gentoo comes with a lot of script baggage
that makes it Gentoo instead of something else.
To make a
TMSR operating system
that does V instead of
the Gentoo
thing... starting from Gentoo means a lot of cuts are going
to have
to be made.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I'm
trying
to stay in my own land and out of
the OS discussion, but
the parallels between
the CrystalSpace discussions and
the Gentoo discussions are seting of some alarms.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo:
there is certainly something
there in
that CrystalSpace
tries
to be essentially a sort of OS all by itself.
BingoBoingo: dorion_road: Mind however,
that
this is based off of what I'm reading in
the logs rather
than
the source of
the actual items.
BingoBoingo: These costs can
take a number of forms, but
the big one seems
to be... Gentoo comes with a lot of script baggage
that makes it Gentoo instead of something else.
To make a
TMSR operating system
that does V instead of
the Gentoo
thing... starting from Gentoo means a lot of cuts are going
to have
to be made.
BingoBoingo: dorion_road: It seems
to me like
the growing dissatisfaction with Gentoo as a
thing
to capture for
terraforming is
that Gentoo comes with a lot of Gentoo specific complexity.
This complexity can be handy if you want
to build a linux and
that linux happens
to fit in
the space
the Gentoo maintainers are running
towards, but...
that complexity appears
to be an impediment
to producing a standardized
thing
that just works without inflicting
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 22:26:25 mp_en_viaje: you're either going
to make something new, or you're going
to make something old.
that's
the choice.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 22:23:39
trinque: you're going
to eat something
that's bigger
than your capacity
to maintain and
then what.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 22:26:29
trinque: anyone wants
to pick up
these items I've built, I'll be more
than happy
to give
them
to him in working order.
dorion_road: Right now my approach is
to draw from
the experience with cuntoo and gales and understand : what strengths can be
taken from both, what do
they both lack
that
tmsr os requires.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:08:07
trinque: and you have fewer men
than you'd like, and I'm not going
to pretend
to be 20, and
then cry when I fail at it.
that's why I said I'm looking at kernel + busybox for my own stack. even it isn't human-sized, but it's about
two orders of magnitude less
twine and shit
than "standard linux distro"
dorion_road: trinque, you've
foreshadowed using a minimalist busybox system, which Gales is. Giving it a
test run and writing and article about what
the positives and negatives are compared
to cuntoo would go a long way
to help killing idiocy. If you made
time
to do it by jan 15, adding your insight while others are working on it would help us
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 13:11:15 diana_coman:
tbh by now I really want
to give a spin
to jfw's gales
thing
too and actually see what's
there.
dorion_road: I'm budgeting
time
this month
to carry out spyked's method using qemu and lobbes is deepening his understanding of
the ebuild system.
dorion_road: The stage I'm at now in
terms of wutdo with cuntoo is :
there have been 7 installation reports
that I'm aware of -- if I've missed one, someone please correct.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 22:23:29
trinque: dorion_road: I dropped
the cuntoo
thing because I
think it's idiocy
to "ubuntu but
totally in our own way and with moar fascism!1" or w/e. I'm not
then going
to
turn around and help you build one.
BingoBoingo: 2018 was indeed a year heavy on
the
thrashing about and wall sticking projectiles
ossabot: Logged on 2018-12-12 14:20:34 asciilifeform: would switch, in a heartbeat,
to fulltiming at hypothetical
tmsr consultancy, if it could be made
to get off ground
ossabot: Logged on 2018-11-15 11:58:12 mircea_popescu: i'll want
the coin back next year. now go forth and own stupidity no more!
mp_en_viaje: in other end of year book keepings, holy shit i can't believe i'm gonna have
to
take a negrate in lieu of
that coin.
mp_en_viaje: yo spyked, how's
the vomit business
thsee days ?
trinque: anyone wants
to pick up
these items I've built, I'll be more
than happy
to give
them
to him in working order.
mp_en_viaje: you're either going
to make something new, or you're going
to make something old.
that's
the choice.
mp_en_viaje: everyone runs into
the same exact choices. all
the
time. always
the same.
trinque: you have what you want, so I'll see myself out. lets leave it at
that.
mp_en_viaje: this is
the adult
table. grow big, or go raise your kids, whatever it is you do,
there's no "let's sit and look at each other".
mp_en_viaje: i'm not sitting around
to watch you play with age-adequate lego sets.
trinque: you're going
to eat something
that's bigger
than your capacity
to maintain and
then what.
trinque: dorion_road: I dropped
the cuntoo
thing because I
think it's idiocy
to "ubuntu but
totally in our own way and with moar fascism!1" or w/e. I'm not
then going
to
turn around and help you build one.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: lol, I knew adlai got sidelined, but it's been a while since I read into
the how/why
mp_en_viaje: not
that i've seen, not on
this planet, but...
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, and she's gonna accept
that,
too, cuz
that's how people are built from nature : sensible. women especially.
mp_en_viaje: ie, "mainstream media" ineptitude wasn't invented
this generation of
tards. or
the previous one. lazy moomoos ran
that sideshow for at least forty years.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: well, with age and lock-up knees, it might indeed be quite impossible she kneels for you,
there is also
that.
mp_en_viaje: o btw BingoBoingo cunt-intel-pros santa also has a
tidbit for you. did you know
that in your native chicago a "larouche movement" chick made democratic
ticket secretary of state (along with some others), and
then adlai wouldn't run on
the
ticket with
the nuts so he invented "solidarity party" which of course cost him
the election -- but here's
the morcel : until ~the day after
the election~
the idiot press reported
the defeated democratic
mp_en_viaje: "why, you
think dogfood
tastes differrntly chewed with dentures ?!" "oh my!" "she still lives on
this fucking planet, luke" "inconceiblablu!!!"
mp_en_viaje: more stark statement of youthful impotence as imanent ireelevancy besides
this simple "oh, an older woman couldn't possibly ever kneel for you" i can't really imagine.
ossabot: Logged on 2017-08-11 14:37:00 mircea_popescu:
this is how it manages
the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning
that latin-style
then has so much
trouble noting down.
mp_en_viaje: and
then,
to add insult
to injury, all sort of nobodies on a stick (trump and obama have
this exact
whisk in common,
that as much as
trump was an outsider laughingstock for
the business community, obama was an outsider laughingstock for
the counterculti/commies --
they're literally
the same object in a structuralist perspective) ended up arbitrarily named in a purely nominative ex
diana_coman: I had more fun with
the "how
to make a movement" , "going under cover" and all
the "we are very serious(ly playing) here"
mp_en_viaje: then it
turned out
the fantasyland ontologic approach
to existence dun work irl,
technology
takes over and soon enough
they had no name at all, let alone
the RIGHT name.
ossabot: Logged on 2016-12-07 19:15:10 mircea_popescu:
the whole story is decided at
the onset - ARE you hero mc heroson ? yes ?
then you go kill koschei. no ?
then you don't. what do you mean "do what he did" ffs.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, he's not entirely wrong, either. his diagnosis is correct in at least
that juncture :
that radical pantsuits never got anywhere, 1960 - 2020,
through
the exact same mechanism : just as soon as
they had
two sticks
to rub
together,
they'd get baited into confrontation with
the establishment, cuz
they're such great heroes &
ilya muromets'
their name.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 17:42:34 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other 60s lulz (since jfw 's memoirs prompted my sending intel on a digging expedition
through
the shockingly irrelevant microfractures of
the us communist party mega-soviet outreach failure) :
https://www.markrudd.com/ dorion_road: I can't say I'm very enthused, but looking
to see
the upside and get
through it as productive as I can be. Getting back
to Panama will be a relief for sure.
dorion_road: mp_en_viaje myeah, it's a family reunion. I agreed
to go back in august.
mp_en_viaje: the "it" being
the ~same it as for say
the sad kids, self-hallucinated relevancy based on personal illiteracy, incuriosity &c americanskisms.
mp_en_viaje: derpy dood who "went underground" for nothing in particular, got bored of it half decade in for you know, not making enough money, came back out and apologized, spent
the next four decades
trying
to milk "it"
dorion_road: I'll publish my december
tmsr os plan by
this
thursday.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other 60s lulz (since jfw 's memoirs prompted my sending intel on a digging expedition
through
the shockingly irrelevant microfractures of
the us communist party mega-soviet outreach failure) :
https://www.markrudd.com/ dorion_road: I'll be
traveling dec 25-jan 6 with potentially good internet, but unknown at present; I'm going on a cruise. january 6th I'll be back in Panama.
mp_en_viaje: happy holidays, or how
the ro for it goes, sarbautori fericite.
bvt: dorion_road: comment published and answered; i can do a
test run of gales after returning (20 dec)
bvt: hello, i'll be
traveling 14-20 dec and 5-10 jan; will be in low availability mode
dorion_road: mp_en_viaje
thanks for helping me clarify.
mp_en_viaje: this is pretty much universally
the case, yeah.
dorion_road: mp_en_viaje I was/am
thinking of
the bios software as one of
the standard parts. if
the operator doesn't want
to use it, doesn't have
to. for anyone
that does, it's
there
to be used.
mp_en_viaje: dorion_road, seems
to me you're mixing
things. yes, you can run a mercedes you bought on mud roads in your native
tardikistan. no, it can't be a mercedes if it comes without a manual, or without standard parts, or if it violates any other fundamental assumptions implicit in
the name.
mp_en_viaje: whoa,
this rake actually got stepped on meanwhile ?!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 13:08:36 mircea_popescu:
this 2 really goes all
the way back
to
the proposed portage supremacy i nixed back in 2018 or w/e it was. NO, portage is not special cuntlet, NO, portage may not be more important
than any other
turd. V rules, portage obeys or goes away.
dorion_road: mp_en_viaje right, if
tmsr,
then bios
to be ruled by V, in line with
portgage and all
the rest. can still run
tmsr os on hardware
that's not
tmsr bootable with bios build and install optional.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 11:56:03 dorion_road:
The baseline consideration is, what is
the ev of having
the already known
TMSR bootable bios configs under V ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-17 12:42:50 ave1: I was genesing it, and will continue
to do so. But with feedback in
the loop. So, for example, gcc comes with an old STL html documentation
tree, can
this be dropped? (I would say yes)
dorion_road: Generally,
my question about your availability
to contribute
to sorting out some of
these early decisions remains of interest.
dorion_road: I'd like
to know your
thoughts as well. Not just about
those, but, e.g. also
Gales Linux now
that it has been released. Gales bootstraps with busybox, which I know you've been
working with.
diana_coman: dorion_road: ^ so you can !!up yourself at least while
the old voice model is still around.
deedbot: diana_coman rated dorion_road 1 <<
talking while
travelling.
dorion_road: The baseline consideration is, what is
the ev of having
the already known
TMSR bootable bios configs under V ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-07 10:36:59 BingoBoingo: spyked: My suspicion is
that
the cost of acquiring a
TMSRbootable board is almost aways going
to beat supporting new hardware, unless
the new hardware is *very* interesting.
dorion_road:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-07#1954458 << I'd
tend
to agree with
the suspicion. First I
think it'd be helpful
to know
the cost of acquiring
TMSR bootbable hardware. Defining was
TMSR bootbale hardware means and listing
the 'known good' board
that are already supported by coreboot or similar would be a good start.