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mircea_popescu: and if
there isn't a way for your "rule"
to be made
to satisfy
this, a) it's not a rule and b) shut up and do some meditation, you're verging on stupid.
mircea_popescu: "all rules re a key are expressed inside a key such
that being ignored breaks
the whole
thing"
ascii_rear: where all rules re: a key are expressed INSIDE
the key
ascii_rear: ok so it
turns out
that mircea_popescu is simply insisting on 'p' !!
mircea_popescu: not a "wait, band2 says
this key is no longer good so you gotta consider
this when looking in band now!11"
ascii_rear: the statement 'anybody signing with
this key after $condition is an impostor' is usefully machine-readable
mircea_popescu: the discussion was
that in
the specific context of "key expiraton"
the "time" part is not
terribly relevant for our discussion of multiband. merely
the fact
that
there's another band ductaped on.
mircea_popescu: and note
that
the discussion wasn't "time is for all
time and in all contexts irrelevant".
ascii_rear: taking your old output and presenting it
to anybody he can get
to, as your latest
ascii_rear: but
the problem with discarding
the notion of
time entirely is
that enemy can subject you
to endless replay attack
ascii_rear: signed statement associating a memorable human name with
the signing modulus
ascii_rear: let's
take another key field... name of owner. also irrelevant?
mircea_popescu: and
there's a
tie-in here about how all systems should fail deadly anyway, and consequently "timestamps" are not even allowed in
the design because no way
to enforce
them.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but
to
that
they purport
to convey information other
than
the key itself.
mircea_popescu: when following an example you can only reference objects
the author included.
mircea_popescu: time is irrelevant here and can be deemed as part of
the explicitation of "X"
ascii_rear: and ianal but meat law contracts often include
time
mircea_popescu: because someone somewhere
told idiots
that
the solution
to imponderable problems is
to add "tagging".
mircea_popescu: no, because for
THIS REASON
the body of law can not be statically compiled.
ascii_rear: static linking of
the whole relevant body of law into
the contract
mircea_popescu: why
the fuck would you want
to add another band! it's suicide, obviously.
ascii_rear: in
that universe, it is solved.
the solution, in
this one, is:
ascii_rear: btw
this is an instance of 'funarg problem'
mircea_popescu: so
they need
to add D
the judge and fucking hell we're back
to what we were fixing.
mircea_popescu: IF (YET ANOTHER EXTRA STEP!!11!) B responds
that A's contract should be "set aside" (WHAT ?!?!) because "the law" (2nd band) says
that bla bla,
ascii_rear: concretize
the meaning of bands here plz
mircea_popescu: A approaches C and inquires about B. C responds
that B is untrustworthy and produces a contract
that says "C has given B X, in consideration of which B will perform Y".
mircea_popescu: in
this situation as described, A can make a determination ~without~ A having
to be human. it's what you'd call a "strict" determination.
mircea_popescu: A approaches C and inquires about B. C responds
that B is untrustworthy and produces a contract
that says "C has given B X, in consideration of which B will perform Y".
mircea_popescu: suppose a world composed of
three
thinking agents, A, B and C.
ascii_rear: mostly
that i'm not grasping how in- vs out- of band
thread
ties in here
mircea_popescu: bar
that i guess i'll have
to go into an analysis of contracting legal
theory.
mircea_popescu: best phrase some sort of objection or something
tho,
to establish a common ground somewhere.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 14:08:41; mircea_popescu:
this also illustrates
the much larger point of
the fukctardation of out-of-band communication. it's stupid and dangerous.
there should be absolutely no "alternative mechanism" for a key being in any way processed outside of
the key itself.
timestamp ? fuck
that.
ascii_rear: (anybody else here on speaking
terms with gcc guts? pkease raise yer hand!)
ascii_rear: i still can't fathom who and why
thought
the pollution was justifiable.
ascii_rear: just need
to patch gcc
to stop it from
taking local paths shits into
the binary
mircea_popescu: instead i'm stuck here sifting
through folders with 19yosluts and urgent business proposals from dudes in quatar.
punkman: I dunno how any of
this makes sense
BingoBoingo: Wait, I
though buttnix was a closed IBM AnusIX distro
BingoBoingo: I dunno
that.
Think he's visited here once
BingoBoingo: He's written for just about all
the crap outlets except coindesk
shinohai: J.P. Buntinx, " one of
the world's leading freelance Bitcoin writers"
mircea_popescu: could go full corset, but given
the... rotund quality of most dommes it's
too constrictive an'
they faint. usually go for demis if at all.
shinohai: Probably
too "dominant"
to let guyz see her naked, i.e. an instadomme
mircea_popescu: (pro
tip : woman
that would die
to defend her clothes put among a dozen nude damsels will cast off every last stitch like it were radioactive)
shinohai: I linked
to
the
trilema article
shinohai: I sent her a PM and
told her she should come here and show her
tits for 0.1. Obviously no reply.
mircea_popescu: more like ... boys secure about
their penis (it dun work), ready
to please in othar ways.
BingoBoingo: feminist is just a code word for boys insecure about
their penis
shinohai: Has a smattering of btctalk posts as well, with feminist
tones
mod6: real subs like
the cage!
mircea_popescu: no idea how all
these fucktards expect anyone
to
take
them seriously. "oh, i'm a master,
that's my slave"
mircea_popescu: lemme
tell you - after a decade of "the
tallest,
the slimest,
the hottest chicks at
the bdsm party are
the ones you brought" it gets fucking old.
BingoBoingo: How does okcupid famous compare
to fetlife famous?
shinohai: I very much enjoyed
the recent
Trilema article
mod6: "get
the fuck outta my mailbox or else!"
punkman: "The sandbox games has now become what
the 3rd-person shooter was not
too long ago,
the default setting
that
tends
to get rolled out for generic action games after
the creative
team have sat around a blank whiteboard all morning and started hankering for an early lunch."
mircea_popescu: the Middle East, South America, and others, hopefully leaving us only with
traffic from North America and Western Europe. Blocking geographic regions
this way is
the only way
to make sure
that large botnets won't be able
to launch further attacks."
mircea_popescu: "For
the short
term, we will be using BGP communities
to attempt
to block Asia Pacific,
the Middle East, South America, and others, hopefully leaving us only with
traffic from North America and Western Europe. Blocking geographic regions
this way is
the only way
to make sure
that large botnets won't be able
to launch further attacks.For
the short
term, we will be using BGP communities
to attempt
to block Asia Pacific,
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 06:09:34;
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "quests" are what
the shitty AAA
titles do
to sub in for
the fact
that
their games suck,
they are poor and stupid, etc. << uh dafuq? guess someone never played DnD as a kid.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 05:44:55; ascii_rear: it has
to be: same src?? --->
this here bin
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 05:43:50; ascii_rear:
thing we really need is deterministic binary
mircea_popescu: (contract elongation is a direct result of
the channel
trying
to fight against noise in "out of band" communication.
take
that away, you're golden)
mircea_popescu: the less said,
the less possibility of misunderstanding, which is why
the main quality of a contract is being brief.
the fewer venues communication may occur in,
the fewer indecidable problems you'll meet.
this rly is not rocket science.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this also illustrates
the much larger point of
the fukctardation of out-of-band communication. it's stupid and dangerous.
there should be absolutely no "alternative mechanism" for a key being in any way processed outside of
the key itself.
timestamp ? fuck
that.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if gpg were just released
today we'd suspect
the nsa impacted
that stupid design
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 05:09:59; phf: so expiration date on key is literally a guard,
that has nothing
to do with crypto. gpg checks
timestamp and bails, but it doesn't need
to