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mircea_popescu: so that what ?
saifedean: asciilifeform: the point is to join the cemetary at the same time as the high school class 30 years your junior
bitstein: asciilifeform: what's the other option?
asciilifeform: 'eat right, exercise, be the healthiest corpse at the cemetary'
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asciilifeform: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel https://secure.flickr.com/photos/obra/sets/72157635353286814
saifedean: yeah it really isn't just me who's into all this weirdness :D
assbot: Miki Ben-Dor — Interdisciplinary Reconstruction of the Paleolithic Di… ... ( http://bit.ly/1Plarol )
assbot: The Fat of the Land / Not By Bread Alone – Vilhjalmur Stefansson ... ( http://bit.ly/1Plaroc )
saifedean: ladies and gentlement i present you my first witness and exhibit A... the great paleo convert Bitstein of Texas, prayers and blessings be upon him
mircea_popescu: well it was the better part of the year.
mircea_popescu: fucking village, doesn't even have a tiny and cramped bdsm club
mircea_popescu: you just liked the gypsy twists.
asciilifeform: btw timisoara absolutely ruled, imho
punkman: I just realized if you try to vocalize TMSR you end up with something close to "timisoara"
saifedean: criminals, all these people, they'd go to jail in the good ole US of A
assbot: Joiana | JOIANA Timișoara ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHzEgz )
mircea_popescu: http://www.joiana.ro/ro/reteaua-de-dozatoare-automate-de-lapte-timisoara << check it out, that;s actually the thing.\
danielpbarron: instead of turning rancid it just turns sour
saifedean: daniel, i didn't know that, might pop across the border next time I'm in NYC to see what it's like
danielpbarron: i haven't tried to keep it out of the fridge, but it seems to age more gracefully in general
danielpbarron: ah, I can go buy it raw from the store shelf
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron technically this was on a farm. the way they sorted it out was that the farm rented 20 sqft from the supermarket, plopped a machine down there. serviced it daily, there's a resident tech that does analytics.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> here's a fun fact : you can buy raw milk in romania << same here in Connecticut, the one state in all of the ussa that permits sale outside of a farm ☟︎
mircea_popescu: my money says they'd find a point of principle to disagree on and not be on speaking terms.
asciilifeform: saifedean would get on well with funkenstein, i think.
saifedean: gotta finish popping babies and feeding them properly first, then focus on econ, then alchemy... theoretical physics does not interest me much
mircea_popescu: for my part, for the past two weeks i've only been slapping butts with my left hand and i've never been taller.
mircea_popescu: you should be an alchemist and write great books on theoretical physics.
saifedean: the last two months i've basically eaten nothing but fatty meat, never been healthier
mircea_popescu: eh how'd you know. at least that dude has the excuse of a lot of bad dinners all over.
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mircea_popescu: saifedean my deal ? whole thing started from it neh
punkman: grandma always boiled the raw milk, I'm sticking with that
saifedean: punkman is a man after my heart... kokorec is fucking good, whereabouts are you? turkey?
mircea_popescu: dude... cows, ok, i can see, they don't grow everywhere.
saifedean: did the job, im alive and healthy
saifedean: look, i'd love to try good raw milk, and if you can hook a brother up, let me know... but, you know, it ain't the be all end all of human knowledge
mircea_popescu: "i never had x but had y which is much better" is what you said to me ? how the fuck'd you know!
mircea_popescu: what makes the discussion difficult is the significant chasm between what'd you want and what actrually is there.
mircea_popescu: you've tried the opposite but never suckled off a cow.
saifedean: unfortunately those people don't write, but fortunately, some people who do write have studied them... like weston price
saifedean: latin, after all, came from a sedentary agricultural society of grain-addicted fatties... you wanna look at pre-agricultural societies to see how to really be well-fed
saifedean: the problem with this sort of debate is that i've lived the life of the cake-munching sugar-addled modern nutrition believing fatty, and i've tried the opposite... which makes this conversation difficult
mircea_popescu: for another... what the fuck, i didn't grow up in a hole.
saifedean: ah, if only they sold that on amazon ascii
mircea_popescu: for one thing, i still have latin.
mircea_popescu: and i certainly aren't about to read some anglo derps on how and what to eat.
asciilifeform: but where the hell is my philosopher's stone.
mircea_popescu: honestly, to me all this sorta stuff, much like the "eu legislation" on "contaminated animal productS" ie, edible cheese, is a case of derpy dudes thinking chickens come out of the supermarket.
assbot: List of alchemists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHy6TE )
saifedean: it's sad that your physicist friends havent read alchemists, but i'm gonna go ahead and guess that's sad for them, not for the alchemists... here's a list of actual aclhemists, imagine where you'd be without their contributions to your life!
mircea_popescu: ah right that explains it!
asciilifeform: saifedean: aha. but for some reason i have yet to meet a practicing physicist who read newton's alchemical works.
saifedean: Isaac Newton was an alchemist primarily, physics and chemistry were the languages he used to speak to the plebs
saifedean: i've never had raw milk, don't know a source i can trust in lebanon, and it's illegal to buy it here in Ontario!
saifedean: yes asciilifeform, there is, by the sort of people who invented basically all the science and knowledge that got us out of swimming in our own shit in the jungle!
mircea_popescu: anyway, i was discussing whether raw milk is interesting or not. it's interesting, to me, because lol.
saifedean: can't remember the post, but it stuck with me and has saved me plenty of time by always ignoring arguments from people hostile to things they don't know... mainly bitcoin and health, funnily enough
saifedean: weren't you the one who wrote a post about how dumb it is to be hostile to things you do not know about?
saifedean: the internet has that somewhere, too
saifedean: raw milk is not that interesting an issue, ignore it
saifedean: Weston Price traveled the world for decades observing different cultures and their foods and examining the link with health and degeneration... pretty startling stuff
asciilifeform: phun phakt: the 'antivax' hippie folk won in usa west coast. where there are now pandemics of crippling nasties (rubella, etc) last seen in 1940s
saifedean: yeah they do
saifedean: it's a travesty that he's been completely forgotten... he's basically the Mises of nutrition
mircea_popescu: they do a lot of diary in lebanon don't they ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, all these nitwits that aren't from cattle country don't know wtf milk is, even.
saifedean: you'll find it in pdf online if you look; reading it is a far better use of your time than arguing!
mircea_popescu: isnt that the chick at war with the fda over the whole raw milk thing ?
mircea_popescu: and yes i talk to economists. as it happens the brightest mind in banking alive today is from my old country.
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saifedean: I'd recommend you folks check out this book: http://www.amazon.ca/Nourishing-Traditions-Book-Baby-Child/dp/0982338317
saifedean: do you also talk to an economist phd to get your perspective on Bitcoin?
trinque: I'll give it a coupla drops of truth in a bucket of rhetoric
saifedean: and they can't pay them if they deviate from the script...
saifedean: appreciate the faith in your clinician, but don't listen to those guys if you're having a child of your own, they're not in it for your benefit, they have med school loans to pay
saifedean: of course the medical bezzle is always happy to oblige with "conditions"
mircea_popescu: looky, i appreciate the youthful activist and half-doctor approach, but srsly, talk to an actual clinician. it doesn't always work. it sucks that it doesn't, it's maybe overreported, it's often just fancies in the woman's head, but not always. sometimes it dun work.
saifedean: she's got to actively fuck it up for her to not breastfeed... look at all real world examples, and you find a woman who ate shit, or who had a caesarian and didn't bother try breastfeeding for a few days, or as is usually the case, a woman who just can't be bothered and came up wiht a story
mircea_popescu: or whether she has a tyroid condition. or cystic ovaries. or or or.
saifedean: and of course, a big, big part of this is diet, what the mom eats before, during, and after pregnancy
saifedean: she could fuck it all up of course, but it takes deliberate human fuckery to stop her breastfeeding
saifedean: inaccurate analogy, since she's another human. but if her body can carry a baby for 9 months, and if she eats well and takes care of herself, she will get milk
saifedean: the problems of breastfeeding all come from the mom not being given the child to breastfeed immediately
mircea_popescu: heh if only. if you can get it up, you can make her come, too ?
saifedean: if she can get pregnant, she can breastfeed, it's all part of the same package
saifedean: the child should learn to latch onto the tit before anything else. In the fucking bezzle they give them the pacifier before the tit, and then they'll never latch properly... which happily enough creates endless business for Gerber and other peddlers of poison
saifedean: breastfeeding in the first hour is essential for the child and for the mom's breasts, it's part of the birth process
saifedean: but the interventionist bezzle logic we have all come to know and love from economics is applied with vigor at birth, producing mentally, physically and emotionally stunted idiots ready for the modern world's demands
mircea_popescu: not all kids actually want to eat immediately.
saifedean: all of which is not just unnecessary, but actively harmful. the child needs absolutely nothing in their first hours except their mom's milk. They need nothing for the first 6 months except her milk and sunshine
mircea_popescu: o yeah, the whole first day vaccination business is both novel and outrageous.
saifedean: and then, the coup de grace, they give him a little sugar in the first hour to drug him and stop him crying from being separated from his mom while they do all the bezzle they wanna do
saifedean: also, the post-birth interventions they do in the medical bezzle are astonishing... within an hour or so, the baby wil have had a vaccine against Hepatitis B, which I guess makes sense if you intend to pimp the child out in the first week. they'll give them an eye drop to protect against the possibility of the mom having chlamydia, regardless of whether she has it or not, thus destroying the child's vision for a few days..
saifedean: "you don't wanna take chances with your baby's health"
saifedean: people with insurance, that's who
mircea_popescu: who the fuck goes to the maternity ward in an ambulance ?!
saifedean: this for me is the difference between the barbarian and civilized humans today: the civilized have the time and choice to wait on the placenta to empty into the baby. The barbarians are told by the doctor the placenta should be cut immediately
saifedean: and most brutally, the fucking doctor wanting to go home quickly means he'll cut the umbilical chord immediately, suffocating the child and depriving him of about a third of his blood