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mircea_popescu: until and unless you ban
the blooming idiots, your copshootings
take forever
to propagate
mircea_popescu: am i
the only one who sees
this eerily reminiscent of "bitcoin nodes" situation ?
mircea_popescu: "By
the end of April,
the couple was completely broke, unemployed, and effectively exiled from a community
they had given up everything
to join. Jerad reached out
to some of
the other local voices in
the movement, but found
that most such activists were big on words, minimal on action, and did little more
than post anti-government pictures and rants on
the Internet."
trinque: could reinvent
the makefile like "ebuild" or w/e, still a makefile
ascii_butugychag: the
thing
to understand is
that we are doing something quite analogous
to
the invention of... SANITATION.
trinque: yep, would
that not be a
tree of v-patches on a
tree of makefiles?
trinque: read
teh verify.mk include, does precisely what you're saying
ascii_butugychag: presently, 'make' only cares
that a particular file name comes
to exist
trinque: moves
the built
target out of
the way if it fails
ascii_butugychag: you can
think of
this idea as a more fascist version of 'make'
trinque: yes, having a make
target fail when a hash fails is a good idea
ascii_butugychag: for so long as
the crud gets put
there, you don't have deterministic build
trinque: mkay, how are you going
to get gcc shitting consistently
then?
trinque: sure,
trivial
to check is all
trinque: did it for downloads;
trivial
to do for a produced binary as well
trinque: ascii_butugychag: what did you
think of my simply checking
the hash at
the end of a build
target?
ascii_butugychag: all of
the idiot indeterminate hiss on current boxes will have
to go.
ascii_butugychag: as in, i build on nintendo, mircea_popescu on cray, we get same elf output so long as we asked for same
target and used same src.
mircea_popescu: "smart people disagree because
they do not share priors ; idiots disagree because
they can't follow implications"
ascii_butugychag: the port
tree does not specify
the exact hash of executable built at each point
ascii_butugychag: (for n00bz: lamport signature is
to signing approx. what otp is
to encipherment)
mod6: ah,
to me
that's what i
took 'sigil'
to mean, 'a seal'. I may misunderstand
the language.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 what'd be your definition/specificiation for
the concept of sigil ? << by definition, for me its a cryptographic signature (embossment) of a given input.
mircea_popescu: so atm, as a working
theory :
the correct working of
the nosuchdns script would be a) look in sigils directory and build list of sigils ; b) look in repository (where ?) for what's signed by
the sigils ; c) create a sort -u list of
the aformenentioned and dump it in hosts as > ratrher
thjan >> ?
mircea_popescu: so
that people can correctly develop on
top of a shared core
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 15:40:42; ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: iirc mod6 had a pretty good guide
to v
mircea_popescu: mod6 what'd be your definition/specificiation for
the concept of sigil ?
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 14:13:52; mircea_popescu: lettuce see what
trinque ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform davout jurov kakobrekla & co say when
they wakeup
mircea_popescu: but it mostly provides street vendors, and i'd be surprised if it makes up
that many ppm.
mircea_popescu: i suspect
that as
the century-old (and probably more grounded) view of black people as naturally cowardly and militarily worthless gives way
to
this purely symbolic "black is
the new manhood", extermination approaches.
mircea_popescu: older folk explained it
to me. back when
they had
their various wars,
they confronted paraguayans at some point, and managed
to sell
the slaves on
the
theory
that black men make
the best warrirors for which reason
they must
take
the first lines.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i finally got
to
the bottom of
the shocking absence of anyone but caucasians from argentina (it is, literally,
the whitest place on earth, up
there with romania and i guess montana)
mircea_popescu: Ironically,
the Sovereign movement is made up of highly paranoid people who
tend
to believe
that every violent act in recent history is a “false flag” operation set in motion by
the evil government, so
the odds of such an event
triggering a Revolution are quite slim."
mircea_popescu: "A few
take it one step further by initiating violence in hopes of acting as a catalyst for
this war.
Timothy McVeigh’s goals, for example, weren’t just
to murder 168 people, bring down a symbolic building, and punish
the government for its role in
the standoffs at Waco and Ruby Ridge. He wanted
to make his mark in history by providing
the Patriot movement with
the spark
that would light
the fires of revolution.
copypaste: Anonymous are (rightfully) viewed as losers, or USG
themselves, by most
thinking people
mircea_popescu: "Million Mask March: Many younger sovereigns are fascinated with ideas of a youth revolution, anarchy, and hacktivism (a portmanteau of hack and activism,) even
though
the majority of
them are not particularly computer savvy.
They often call
themselves Anonymous and wear
the mask and costume of
the central character in
the movie V for Vendetta."
ascii_butugychag: 'don't believe me?!! look what's happening
to yer greenbacks!!!111'
ascii_butugychag: incidentally
there was a ragged black fella preaching about 9/11 inside job
ascii_butugychag: aha i just got off a city
train, likewise inherently statal, and advantageous
mircea_popescu: iirc i even said - what
that guy complains of, we'd also do.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag and
there's no argument considered or offered
that it's not statal.
the discussion is
that under some circumstances it is advantageous.
ascii_butugychag: he probably also never drove a cart hitched
to a pack of stray dogs
mircea_popescu: (incidentally - if anyone here remembers
the ancient discussion re naming services, which is how qntra ended up with
that name at least in part -
this system would be a necessarily optimal solution
to
that problem. it'd guarantee you need
the minimum possible stroke count
to get your desired destination.
ascii_butugychag: the whole 'memorable centralized names'
thing is inherently statal.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i can't speak for others, but i was always ok with '6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 likes
to call himself mircea_popescu so why not'
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag:
thx.
that's what I was
thinking. will do.
mircea_popescu: if i had
to bruteforce sha256
to come up with
the signature for "trilema.com" i probably wouldn't bother.
mircea_popescu: the reference was
to explain
to copypaste why he can't have both worlds / what
the use of current dns arrangement is.
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag ben_vulpes mod6 : is
there a way
to look at what data messages/control messages are going over
the wire or force
their invocation in
trb? or would
that functionality need
to be patched in
to print
to log/accept command from some source?
ascii_butugychag: i'm just not personally convinced
that names gotta be automatic
PeterL: so point
the updater using a file
mircea_popescu: how does v currently know where
to connect
to build
the rotor ?
mircea_popescu: either cron
the updater or run it whenever you please.
mircea_popescu: the advantage of prototyping is
that most major issues you will spend
time working on, you encounter AFTER you're done designing.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag it oughta, but it can run without it
too, and it's seemingly easy enough
to get started.
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 15:37:56; mircea_popescu: jurov im
thinking more like a rotor script
to build a local hosts out of, maybe, deedbotted
things ?
jurov: are
these concepts, like, documented anywhere?
mircea_popescu: but because of
the metagame
this doesn't actually hold here. much
to my satisfaction.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller
the
thing is,
the meta-game is incredibly rich and very rewarding. usually
the problem with making a game, as an enthusiast, is
that fucking hell you know it so it's at best half as fun.
PeterL: BingoBoingo, My current lab is not set up
to handle anything as dangerous as FOOF, would need a few kBTC
to get something like
that set up
thestringpuller: Eulora has deep gameplay, which creates emergent phenomenon which is by design.
The real interesting
thing is mircea_popescu has figured out how
to do
this without spending a million a dollars.
mircea_popescu: jurov im
thinking more like a rotor script
to build a local hosts out of, maybe, deedbotted
things ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but yeah, i did notice it
tends
to suck people in. not everyone, but some people.