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ascii_butugychag: gernika: nowhere is it written
that a hermit must stop washing.
ascii_butugychag: but
the latter is precisely what happens in 'random bar with random people'
mircea_popescu: socialisation is an ability
to interact with
the other , not an ability
to
tolerate
the boring.
mircea_popescu: they can't go
to a random bar,
they can't
talk
to random people.
punkman: ascii_butugychag: I was looking at
their website last week, pretty much confused lemming doing random shit
mircea_popescu: going
to church is not socialisation, it's antisocialisation.
gernika: ascii_butugychag: beg
to differ
mircea_popescu: while
these idiocies may well serve societal and political goals of wrinkled up old women / usg,
they have no room in
the world.
mircea_popescu: i really don't blame
the kids
themselves,
they're being raped under
the guise of education, and in
two major ways : one
to create a wholly delusional concept of "originality" which is so badly wound up in self-contradiction it causes most brains
to shut down ;
the other is more pervasive,
they are prevented from socialising normally in a myriad ways and as such become incapable
to work with others.
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 17:34:03; mircea_popescu: moreover,
the wholly misplaced expectation of youthful enthusiasts
that
they may make a name for
themselves
through independently "creating" shit must be quashed.
mircea_popescu: "Based in
the heart of NYC, with strong banking and political partnerships, Coin.co is focused on establishing relationships with some of
the world's most influential companies and institutions." << fancy
that, website at least still exists.
punkman: mircea_popescu: dunno, a system
that lets you build IRC on it but gets in
the way when you
try
to build other
things (forum/chan, filesharing, etc)
punkman: I like how retroshare provides a platform for various p2p applications, I hope whoever builds #ba-gossipd won't make it
too IRC-oriented
PeterL: isn't
that how bitmessage worked
too?
mircea_popescu: "Outgoing messages do not contain
the explicit address of
the recipient of
the message.
Therefore, every network participant attempts decryption of every message passing
through
the network even if
the message was not originally intended for
that network participant. Since only
the actual recipient can successfully decrypt
the messages intended for him, all network participants know
that if
they fail
to decrypt
the mes
mircea_popescu: punkman notably,
the one difference between
this and gossipd is
that it really doesn't require so much
trust.
the paramount question isn't
to make it possible for derps
to safely exchange child porn or whatever,
the paramount question is
to make it possible
to run a chan without having
to bow down
to an isp providing server space.
phf: key exchange is hard, but i designed
this easy
to use automated schENALRGE YOUR PENIS NOW!!
mircea_popescu: broadly it seems more like a sort of confused yahoo messenger implemented by
teenagers
than anything.
punkman: retroshare does p2p forums with gpg, but I wouldn't really
trust
the
thing
mircea_popescu: spam shouldn't be a problem in a sane implementation of
the above-discussed design
gernika: It has other problems as well, namely spam, which it was explicitly "designed"
to prevent.
mircea_popescu: "GPG is useless because if somebody manages
to exchange
the data while it is
transferred
to you, he probably also switched
the key with his own
to sign
the application again so it looks valid."
mircea_popescu: tore a bunch of holes in
the "logical arguments" of
the retards,
to exactly no effect.
their logic consists of whatever
they make algal blooms out of.
mircea_popescu: phf i was one of
the very few ro writers
that never migrated.
mircea_popescu: there is no such
thing.
there shall never be such a
thing.
mircea_popescu: moreover,
the wholly misplaced expectation of youthful enthusiasts
that
they may make a name for
themselves
through independently "creating" shit must be quashed.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i guess
this is perhaps not obvious,
tho i'd expect it
to be :
the odds of recent code created by random derps not in
the wot being ever recommended, used or regarded positively here are somewhere between nil and epsilon. even old, widely distributed, supposedly well reviewed code
turns out pretty shitty on examination.
phf: shit
to write or read, where's
those guys produced GBs of
text in
translit, published entire
tex papers
that used escape codes
to do cyrillic, etc. should've listened.
phf: end of 90s remnants of su intelligentsia, who grew up on stolen, non-localized hardware in
the 70s and 80s, were actively arguing for
translit. i still periodically get emails from hard science
types written in
translit. i remember some of
those people were really mad when emacs 20 added localization support (MULE was particularly dodgy
take on it). i didn't understand what
the big deal was back
then
though. ironically i didn't have
gernika: I am not. In my pre-#ba days I worked on project
that used it. a distributed market, of all
things.
mircea_popescu: it's rank nonsense. "back
then, people owned people, which is bad" "why ?" "i dunno, bahamas said so"
mircea_popescu: PeterL
there is no way
to explain
the background of
the culture in an ideologically acceptable manner.
mircea_popescu: gernika
the idea was
to make a chan not
to convey short
text messages in a roundabout manner.
gernika: I suppose in
the same sense as bitcoin exists.
PeterL: mircea_popescu, and instead of relying on parents
to explain
to
thier children
the background of
the culture, we must ban
the book. Bleh.
jurov: iirc you dreamed about ooversize
trucks?
mircea_popescu: PeterL gotta love how "against socialism" became "superficial".
things
that go against
teh superficious ideology are ignorant!!11
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assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 14:53:03; mircea_popescu: basically,
the correct way
to implement
this, is
to have a "universal" key and have people encrypt
to whatever keys
they want. if
they include
the universal,
then it's public. if
they don't,
then only whoever
they encrypted
to can see it.
mircea_popescu: lol how are
they gonna "compete", who gives a shit about
that
thing ?
mircea_popescu: back before
the whores starting pretending like government is a job.
mircea_popescu: (this point, incidentally, is uncontroversial in
the chinese space)
mircea_popescu: all
the world's languages can go invent
their own computers. i'll read
them in
the afterlife.
copypaste: or, do you not
think all
the world's languages are worthy of support?
copypaste: what would you have instead of unicode, which would support all
the world's languages?
mircea_popescu: copypaste
the solution
to infestation isn't
to draw lines on
the floor and
try
to keep
the bugs from crossing over.
the solution is
to fog
the place. no more unicode.
mircea_popescu: you wanna look at
them, paint
them any way you wish. you wanna communicate
them, stick
to ((),())
copypaste: i don't
think fonts should contain color data
copypaste: i don't
think so, but i do remember
that in
the newest revision skintones were added, which was strange
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag how's "you may not reference glyph
tables intra-systems" doing anything
to your matrices ?
copypaste: nothing, but it has a lot
to do with fixedsys
mircea_popescu: copypaste were you here for
the "the humanoids in unicode are
the wrong color" discussion ?
ascii_butugychag: the resolution was
that you can pry matrices from my cold, dead hands.
mircea_popescu: i
thought it was resolved, and
the resolution was "no more bullshit"
mircea_popescu: html going
the way of
the ^G would be a greater win
than most anything else. and not just for computing sanity, either.
mircea_popescu: but
then
the only reason
this obviousness is obvious is because
THEY FUCKING CANT.
mircea_popescu: something like
this is fucking obvious, even
to
the lowliest derp :
there is no concept of "wordpress
theme" in
the fucking code, and if you want
to "skin it" you eitgher write one or, as
the derp case usually is, go
to a repository and load one you like. nobody goes "hey, we should be able
to decide what wordpress
theme is used
to display
this article IN
THE FUCKING ARTICLE".
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 17:35:59; ascii_butugychag:
the other outputs also other
things
mircea_popescu: "you can install fixedsys
to do any glyph
translation you want on your system ; you may never reference glyphs when
talking
to other systems"
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: how
to 'do away with font' ? issue ibm rollerballs
to everybody ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag you know,
the orcs
that don't have alphabet because
their mommies were sluts or something.
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely nothing valid or even remotely interesting you might need
to "express yourself"
through writing into
the book sideways and with a round hole in
the middle of
the page.
mircea_popescu: it should be fucking illegal
to deviate from format. fucking idiot "symbolics" "designers".
mircea_popescu: and honestly doing away with
this particular bowdlerization of
the idea of freedom where sites "can change" is such a great win just by itself...
mircea_popescu: so it kills
the browser and everything web, all
the way down.
mircea_popescu: anyway, you don't have
to even parse html and all
that bullshit - because your site
template is fixed.
mircea_popescu: the idea isn't
to "surf websites" and "easy upload and download".
the idea is
to replace
the motherfucking browser altogether, so
that a chanpage is created out of discrete resources requested from peers exactly like
the browser works but without
touching any sort of web anything.
mircea_popescu: anywa, freenet has exactly nothing
to do with what was contemplated here.
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 14:57:37; mircea_popescu: copypaste it'll
take a while
to implement, you'll have
to pull in gpg
too, and some other shit. but once done it does obsolete current chanology. i can't conceive who or how could run a chan anymore on anything else.