349400+ entries in 0.218s
ascii_butugychag: jurov: detecting some of
the more common adulterants is not hard at all
BingoBoingo: What, yall can't jsut
tear up a chunk of yard and
toss some seeds on
the ground?
☟︎ jurov: how is
this solvable by
tech?
jurov: ascii_butugychag: you need food controllers in your wot.. and
then simpler
to have producers directly
pete_dushenski: this isn't software
that you just punch a few letters and delete a few lines and voila, new physical reality
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: it is my particular profession
to make cuts in it.
ascii_butugychag: i happen
to see reasoning about items glued
together by happenstance as if
they were intrinsically
the same, as lame.
jurov: there is no economic incentive for your food controllers not
to cheat
danielpbarron: what ascii says about food in d.c. is also
true in ct. I must go
to
the stupid hippy store in which most of
the aisles are full of overpriced overhyped nonsense just
to get
the meat and veggies
that actually
taste alright and aren't poisoned. At least
these hippy stores are frequented by
the yoga pants wearing chicks
though.
The megastores are full of fat zombies; I'd pay extra just
to not have
to shop around
them
ascii_butugychag: and obviously we cannot dispense with provenance. but i must point out
that it is a ~proxy~
ascii_butugychag: it would be regardless. because provenance guarantees nothing,
the soil in which perfectly
traditional
tomato grew could have strontium, etc.
pete_dushenski: sounds like a make-work project for
the slave army you don't have
pete_dushenski: how do you intend
to determine lack of poison w/o provenance exactly ?
ascii_butugychag: if it were possible
to 'replicate' a prime grade
tomato, for
the cost of mains power, would you eat it ?
ascii_butugychag: when all i care about is
taste and poison -
the latter is objectively quantifiable
ascii_butugychag: this is
the other
thing, why should i give A FUCK about PROVENANCE
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski:
they sometimes ~claim~
to, and it
tastes like shit
ascii_butugychag: nah more like whining
that one can't get 400 dpi panel except from crapple
pete_dushenski: it's like whining
that eizo doesn't make 40" vertical monitors with 1mm bezels
ascii_butugychag: i can buy 'organic' veggies, but it is MANDATORILY in a shop
that also sells homeopathic cures.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:37:31; asciilifeform:
the other interesting
thing is
that
the market is segmented in such a way
that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~
the alt-crackpotteries, not merely
the logical ones
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:38:03; asciilifeform: e.g.
there is no 'i don't care if
the chicken ate gmo corn but please no antibiotic' shop
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: i sure as fuck buy. but also understand
that i am stuck paying for voodoo claptrap at
the same
time as
the reduced poison, you cannot bid for
them separately
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: you live in usistan and ~don't~ buy organic fruits&vegetables ? not
that 'usda organic' is much
to go on, nor
that it's readily distinguishable which of
the 35 ~other~ organic brands is meaningful, but none of
them are worse
than "normal", ie.
tasteless
tomatoes
ascii_butugychag: it necessarily appears. if not monsanto,
then dow chemical, or somebody else.
ascii_butugychag: in
that light monsanto is just a devil conjured up by
the premise.
ascii_butugychag: the premise
that 'we need cheaper, above all else, food, so
that all may eat'
ascii_butugychag: as described in an old mircea_popescu article, it is from ~this premise~
that
the other atrocities flow
ascii_butugychag: it would not especially matter if
they had spiffy and reliable
technology.
mircea_popescu: really
the objection is
the particularly inept "technology" used.
mircea_popescu: so would you be happy if we move on from "genetically engineered"
to "monsanto engineered" ?
ascii_butugychag: the other
thing is
that
the 'gmo' hysterial supports an entire hipster pseudoindustry of 'organic'
ascii_butugychag: the automatic implication is
that, e.g.,
tasteless
tomatoes are a-ok so long as
they are ~selectively bred~ for
truck endurance rather
than 'gmo'-d, for instance
ascii_butugychag: to frame
the conversation as being particularly 'about genes' is a deliberate and carefully-constructed memetic gambit by monsanto et al
BingoBoingo: <ascii_butugychag> i can't walk into a shop and buy 'gmo food', i can buy crud soaked in monsanto herbicide <<
this
ascii_butugychag: 'The allegations of extrajudicial killings are just
the latest problem between Wallstrom and Israel, and
they are just one of a number of disputes
the Swedish foreign minister has found herself embroiled in since entering office in October 2014. Sweden has been pursuing what has been called a "feminist foreign policy" since
then – one
that has led
to notable diplomatic spats with Morocco
pete_dushenski:
to
those of numerous safety
tests carried out by food and drug agencies around
the world, which indicate
that
there are no dangers associated with eating GM food." << in still other news, if you don't agree with party line, you're a wrecker. more at 11.
pete_dushenski: "Papers
that describe harmful effects
to animals fed genetically modified (GM) crops are under scrutiny for alleged data manipulation.
The leaked findings of an ongoing investigation at
the University of Naples in Italy suggest
that images in
the papers may have been intentionally altered.
The leader of
the lab
that carried out
the work
there says
that
there is no substance
to
this claim.
The papers’ findings run c
assbot: Israeli parents wondered why school
trips
to Auschwitz cost so much.
The answer may be price-fixing. -
The Washington Post ... (
http://bit.ly/1PDIRTr )
ascii_butugychag: if it is chewing on crapolade, it is not eating
the next valid block.
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: you realize
that it isn't actually sitting and verifying
the block, right ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: fine for me because i don't
think
tevye's processing
them any faster
than
that. was stuck on 022 for like 4 hours. now stuck on 029
BingoBoingo: In other news Clitler MS Exchange scandal is escalating. Not just
Top Seekrit nao. Special Access, and Compartmented shit nao.
Time
to count her lizard scales
pete_dushenski: usg is poorer
than local community league or something
pete_dushenski: 400 bounty is less
than elementary school science fair. seriously.
ascii_butugychag: where yes, usg doing anything but fertilizing
the grass from underneath is laughable
mircea_popescu: only
thing it could do passibly atm is suck cock, and
thats
the one
thing it's ideologically committed
to not doing.
ascii_butugychag: perhaps mircea_popescu is posting from
the future, from among
the ruins
mircea_popescu: then when reality contradicts you... i guess will continue, because hey. gotta believe usg is
the little shitengine
that can.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i
thought it was a usg-powered co. and
therefore could as easily dispense btc (obtained from prisoners, or
toomim) as gold dubloons
BingoBoingo: <ascii_butugychag> mircea_popescu: 400 bux buys what? one
tire for my car? l0l << 400 bux could reshoe my entire car. You certainly are spending
too much on car bezzle!
ascii_butugychag: for 400 ~btc~, i will write it in brainfuck,
to run on dead squirrel in cardboard box
mircea_popescu: we want you
today just as much as we wanted you back in 2012.
pete_dushenski: at least 21 has lightbulbs
to see and
toasters
to
toast
mircea_popescu: lol apparently 21co held a "hackathon" paying 400
to
the first guy
to order pizza with
their whatever it is
ascii_butugychag: the other
thing is
that
the operations involved in processing a new
tx are O(function of mempool size)
mircea_popescu: but iirc
this was mentioned and discussed a year ago, part and parcel of all
the "Scaling" bs is a sheer cluelessness as
to what a node actually is / what it does / how it looks.
mircea_popescu: which is how come i even know people who can digest
the concept of stuffing 256gb in a box.
mircea_popescu: so far my response
to
THAT problem was... buy moar ram.
mircea_popescu: this is you know, "sum
total bytes as if
they went into blocks"
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: yeah but in
trb
that 25MB goes with 500MB of frag gap
mircea_popescu: but
there's only 9006
txn / 28.00 mb worth of mempool atm altogether.
ascii_butugychag: whatever pedagogic point mircea_popescu was
trying
to make by not giving
the answer away, imho is made...
BingoBoingo has small mempool
thanks
to 100kilo satoshi per kb inclusion requirement