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mod6: ;;later tell funkenstein_ thanks. yeah, that patch will be useful. will try to get it in right after the release.
funkenstein_: mod6, keep up the good work, tis nice to see some activity
funkenstein_: there was some tree structure problem with original mailing list submission iirc
funkenstein_: it got hung up when i added another patch "chuck_checkpoints" with mistake.. now sits there for eyeballs if anyone is interested
mod6: oh awesome, did it make it into the ML?
mod6: funkenstein_: hey, did you write that one?
funkenstein_: ooh cool "physically unclonable functions". is that another way to say reality?
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 02:13:21; trinque: shinohai: I don't see anything in pybitcointools to shove a privkey into a wallet.dat
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1394898 <-- a backport patch of privkey import/export should you be so inclined to look: http://frass.woodcoin.org/dev/funken_prikey_tools.vpatch ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: https://github.com/17Q4MX2hmktmpuUKHFuoRmS5MfB5XPbhod/dropzone-lib << lulzy derpatron from the spam in mircea_popescu's comment section
shinohai: trinque: sorry 'twas this mod6 and I used to do it: https://github.com/jackjack-jj/pywallet
asciilifeform: http://www.pi314.net/eng/bellard.php << l0l! same bellard as of qemu and tinycc and many other fun things
asciilifeform: one strong ox and two very, very effective plowing flies.
asciilifeform: not same text. but same bullet hole, same corpse.
mircea_popescu: but the same text!
asciilifeform: re: turing-complete cellular automaton proof
asciilifeform: wolfram did it to somebody else
mircea_popescu: did i read this exact thing before re wolfram ?
asciilifeform: ith the discovery of that algorithm and very little to do with the finding of the formula. The mistake was mine. Saying that Bailey found the formula is like saying that the formula was found by the Maple and Basic program.'
asciilifeform: the discovery since he contributed to it (as he said), this is my second big mistake. Of course he accepted to co-write the article, who wouldn't ?! David H. Bailey (and Ferguson) are the authors of the PSLQ program. That program is the <american> version of the Pari-Gp program. I used it a little it is true, but what made the discovery was pari-Gp and Maple interface program I had. So actually, that person has nothing to do w
asciilifeform: more talent in politics (more money too). He is good but has a tendency to site himself a lot. He thinks that if he had the idea of the sum of 2 numbers at one point in his life then all formulas in mathematics are his own discovery. About David H. Bailey. He came after the discovery of the formula and my small basic program , I had also a fortran version. This is where Peter Borwein suggested to add him as a collaborator to
asciilifeform: 'Peter Borwein wanted very much that I do a Ph. D. on the ISC but he wanted also to publish (with his name of course) an article before I deposit the thesis. Again the same story was going on, these 2 guys are so greedy I can't believe it. The behavior they had with me was not exclusive, especially Peter Borwein he was the same with most of his students, especially the good ones, sucking the maximum. Jon is the same but he has
asciilifeform: doesn't sprechen the inglisch so well, but not hard to understand:
asciilifeform: ^ re: the perelmanization of ploufee
mircea_popescu: ftr, that's where the now-famous first of many "calculate nth decimal of transcendent without calculating the others" thing was published
danielpbarron: it's some account that's fairly popular in the twatter circles of people who use terms like opsec and infosec, pointing out that the proponents of larger blocks sound like the guy who's running for president as a socialist
danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/swiftonsecurity/status/694686642318118913 >> "We're going to increase the block size and make more of them. Everyone should be able to mine a block." (picture of Bernie Sanders at some rally)
asciilifeform: thing is that brutalism pre-dates cad.
mircea_popescu: and i explained to her what autocad was
mircea_popescu: "wtf is with these large buildings they're all ugly in the same way"
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i was walking with a woman i walked with all over the fucking world, and she spontaneoushly said
mircea_popescu: no i mean the autocad thing.
mircea_popescu: whereas the correct solution is to stick to the math. computers are fucking tractors not farm designers.
asciilifeform: and here we are, somewhere after this.
asciilifeform: which enemy, naturally, took full advantage of
asciilifeform: which led to a pile of corpses and a reaction.
asciilifeform: age of cheap transistor had a faux-renaissance where folks used the cheap transistors for elaborate self-delusion - 'this is sooo complicated, nobody!1111 could crack'
mircea_popescu: also, this is NOT a block cipher
mircea_popescu: still, some points have to be made
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am quite certain that you knew this, but pretty much all published block ciphers date to the dark ages, when transistor was painfully expensive
mircea_popescu: trinque> also, I don't see sendrawtransaction in trb's list o' commands... wat do? << cry all the way home, we don't have it yet. backport it ? :D
mircea_popescu: idence of a polynomial method to estimate a transcendent" is really good enough. and it exhibits all those important properties : such as, you can ~actually~ use infinite message, and you can also use any arbitrary padding you like, up to infinity - the hash function won't complain. and you can want it to shit out any block size you want it to shit out - also won't complain, but give EQUALLY MEANINGFUL results. whether
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> i will prolly care. on the train, some time soon. << the reason i give it is mostly didactic. it plainly shows what i mean re proper use of math and treating your computer like a tool to do a job rather than treating your job as something to be adjusted to fit the computer without having to delve into complexities and subtleties of number theory etc. something as commonplace as "use the intervals of conf
asciilifeform: when you get to the genesis, you're done.
phf: right, but doing just topo won't tell you that
asciilifeform: and it ought to tell you how.
asciilifeform: anything that can sit down into a vtron, is pressable.
phf: well, the idea is that you want to click on the patch and see how to press it. if i were to click in polarbeard_* presumably i want to press the tree that includes old malleus?
asciilifeform: from which is ought to be ~apparent~ what can coexist and what cannot
asciilifeform: just needs to display the tree
asciilifeform: btw i don't understand why phf's thing needs to 'handle' patch conflicts
phf: yeah, i'm not up to date on logs
asciilifeform: iirc mod6 pointed this out earlier
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 02:14:49; trinque: also, I don't see sendrawtransaction in trb's list o' commands... wat do?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1394903 << you ~know~ wat to do ! ☝︎
phf: jurov: like http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_fix_instance_print , asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring don't press because presumably conflict with programmable-versionstring malleus_mikehearnificarum in order. no idea why polarbeard_better_log_messages polarbeard_fix_instance_print don't press though
trinque: anyone? given a privkey in hand, how the hell do I get trb to send some coin? I do not want to change addresses and nothing I find can chew on this wallet
phf: jurov: i don't handle patch conflicts yet, until there's some kommunitee resolution. and if the answer is "remove them from your patches" probably going to add some kind of tree walk in addition to topo. fwiw right now on the site you can see patches that wouldn't press cleanly in "pink"
kakobrekla: they also spin at the lowest rpm of all the high end fans i tested
kakobrekla: the 'be quiet' ones that is?
asciilifeform: i haven't even plugged the thing in yet, and already impressed.
asciilifeform: no 'civilian' pc fan i ever bought, behaved this way.
asciilifeform: shows off the quality of the bearing.
asciilifeform: and was laughing until i saw that it starts spinning when i turn the box a bit !
trinque: also, I don't see sendrawtransaction in trb's list o' commands... wat do? ☟︎
asciilifeform: and laughed when i uncrated it and saw that it ships in a gaudy display case, with clear window, and velcro (!) lid
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, i bought that quiet fan kakobrekla recommended ages ago
asciilifeform: i will prolly care. on the train, some time soon.
trinque: shinohai: I don't see anything in pybitcointools to shove a privkey into a wallet.dat ☟︎
mircea_popescu is still curious to hear how people'd attack, if anyone cares.
mircea_popescu: (my trolling is ever more refined)
asciilifeform: and titanic lookup tables, etc.
mircea_popescu: it's your tool, it must be used.
asciilifeform: then let's have the candle.
mircea_popescu: it's your tool not your fucking master.
mircea_popescu: fuck the fucking computing-centring paradigm in crypotography
mircea_popescu: so they do.
mircea_popescu: hence the substractions.
mircea_popescu: because we're specifically collecting hte noise of the formula against the text and its mirror, rather than pi itself.
mircea_popescu: anyway - being able to calculate pi itself does not actually help here.
mircea_popescu: you took a second to answer after my 2nd line, minutes after the first produced nothing! timing attack on your brain!
asciilifeform: why the bitwise negation ?
mircea_popescu: it is apparently a lot easier to follow math in words than in symbols, EVEN FOR YOU
asciilifeform: (iirc plouffe was the worker bee and the other 2 were parasites)
mircea_popescu: (basically - they're the classical (archimedan!) approximations of pi, for the text and reversed text, to an arbitrary precision. makes for an eminently tunable hashfunction)
asciilifeform: but gauss could prolly tell you right now!
asciilifeform: i would have to think about it
mircea_popescu: how'd you go about attacking this ?
mircea_popescu: (V3 - V4) and finally d) return blocksize digits from the key-th position in H.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you feel like entertaining some crackpottery, suppose a hash function defined as follows : a) calculate PM ; pM ; P!M ; p!M where P and p are the perimeters of polygons of K sides circumscribing and inscribed respectively in the same circle and !M is the bitwise negation of M ; b) calculate V1 = 2pMPM/(PM+pM) ; V2 = sqrt(pMPM) ; V3 = 2p!MP!M/(P!M+p!M) ; V4 = sqrt(p!MP!M) ; c) calculate H = (V1 - V2) *
asciilifeform: and... but why go into it here. anybody who wants this, can think on his own.
asciilifeform: emitting two sets of ~same static waveform at once
asciilifeform: some of the variants i've envisioned include.... a certain kind of battery, where ion gradients vary when a molten electrolyte cools, and it then cut into 2+ strips, and 'burned' like a candle
asciilifeform: (the former being an exercise in self-delusion, the latter - adds complexity and potentially buggy or noisy circuitry)
asciilifeform: e.g., 1 and 2 imply that there are sufficient bits per entropy without having to resort to whitenings or distillation
asciilifeform: each of these 5 pieces contains a number of sub-boojums
asciilifeform: 5) cannot under any circumstances be ~read~ all at once or quickly enough to be considered 'all at once' for practical purposes of enemy capture & device switcheroo
asciilifeform: 4) are, ideally, erased irrevocably by so doing, or at least erasable in reasonably small chunks (when used) and destroyable all at once (when you pull the pin)
asciilifeform: 3) come out one at a time
asciilifeform: that then go their separate ways;