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asciilifeform: ( this, in case it wasn't obvious, doesn't do anything interesting )
asciilifeform: in case it wasn't clear, they were dumping'em in phuctor's hopper
Framedragger: leah didn't answer yet (i posted the link)
asciilifeform: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00059.html << one poor bastard 'doesn't know how world now worx'
mircea_popescu: what exactly "libreboot is no longer part of the gnu project" is supposed to mean is anyone's guess. the whole existence of gnu is in the form of licenses. they can't retroactively change these. so they'll what, move to mit/bsd licenses in the future ? nobody gives a shit. are they selling to apple ? wouldn't be the first time fraudulent operator tried this under the guise of "good reasonz, guise!!!1"
asciilifeform: at any rate, i trotted out the probe thing for a reason, you can't really effectively work on bios without one (or similar.)
mircea_popescu: anyway, sounds like cheap drama. and it can't be THAT seeing how rms used a laptop before 2013.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#169 << looks like a cheapo fingerprinting technique ? log didn't pick it up for instance.
mircea_popescu: depends. if you think yeast is a metaphysical process then it indeed needn't.
mircea_popescu: thermodynamics also needn't include beer yeasts ?
pete_dushenski: because 'sexual' needn't include parenting ?
pete_dushenski: you think this is somehow unique to residential construction because that's what you're familiar with. it isn't. commercial, industrial, etc are all the same. news flash : building require maintenance.
mircea_popescu: $latex i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\left|\Psi(t)\right&gt;=H\left|\Psi(t)\right&gt;$ -> https://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=i%5Chbar%5Cfrac%7B%5Cpartial%7D%7B%5Cpartial+t%7D%5Cleft%7C%5CPsi%28t%29%5Cright%3E%3DH%5Cleft%7C%5CPsi%28t%29%5Cright%3E&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=000&#038;s=0
mircea_popescu: i can't recall now if it was from the mp or the wp part of the family, but i think mostly the latter really.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it wouldn't need to alter it however. afaik mp-wp doesn't either ; handles redirects itself like a grown-up system ??
a111: Logged on 2016-04-07 18:10 phf: the person that i was a [big bank] vendor with is actually doing that right now. a trained apl-er and mathematician, having spent few years interacting with [big bank] decision makers now consults on a handshake basis for companies that need a problem solved, but don't care if it comes with a pretty windows gui
phf: (i had to tweak a postgresql search lexing phase just few days ago, and fwiw it doesn't givey you "grep" out of the box. you have to do Traditional Text Search approach tokenize,lex,index by weights, etc.)
phf: but since i don't have to expose it to wild net, and rate of checks is low, i can just have a bottle file per task, just doing its own specific massaging
phf: i'm only querying for what was mentioned in logs ("annotations"), since i didn't want the split to break the xref facility
asciilifeform: amd made its own debugger for its boards, i even have one here, but it has never been satisfactorily reverse-engineered, isn't gdb compatible. i have a brand-new one here, in its crate, waiting for its day.
asciilifeform: e like this seek to transition to their preferred gender. Read more about it on Wikipedia. We will not directly name the person who was fired, because we don't want the individual to be harrased. If you do somehow figure it out (the FSF's staff is very small) then please be silent. We realize that this is potentially risky to the individual involved. Nonetheless, we feel it our moral duty to expose wrongdoing, wherever it is observed
Framedragger: right. see trinque, you don't see "lazy" in that context as having any descriptive context (what shinohai's pots); i do. a simple disagreement regarding the use. but i of course have to agree with your general sentiment...
trinque: what it means is this limp dicked "I did a thing but don't judge me pls" that produced the mountain of filth in which we live
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1545482 << if i weren't stuck in shitholelandia, i'd post ~everything~. ☝︎
Framedragger: can't write to logs dir anymore, i was trying to restrict things more
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:41:28] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#15 << not so ; the attitude as well as the possibility of success are of interest to the largest number of people speaking this language. especially if they currently don't know this. they may "proclaim irrelevant" whatever, but their green friend is interested in them.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [21:23:49] <phf> log. so at some point we were in "log according to btcbase" situation. with the recent move to multiple bots and more importantly multiple logs, we now have "log according to ..." model, which we can still though attempt to reconcile. once we move to gossip there can't even be a talk of single log. it's always "log according to whoever heard and relayed it" by design.
mircea_popescu: and the reason coinbase doesn't deserialize for you is that it contains that string arbitrarily.
trinque: shame on the next person who implements any of this without consulting me first, given I handed you lot a full implementation of the logging part, and that I can't remember the last time I had to *touch* deedbot.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes (if you think about it, the first block breaks with the software-as-protocol because eg it doesn't reference a prior block. rather than bake a test into code forever, more reasonable to just make it by hand.)
trinque: why didn't it fart mine?
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#15 << not so ; the attitude as well as the possibility of success are of interest to the largest number of people speaking this language. especially if they currently don't know this. they may "proclaim irrelevant" whatever, but their green friend is interested in them.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: buncha crud that prolly wouldn't even make elementary sense unless put in context.
mod6: Yeah, was just clicking on it to see the upclose JTAG points, but ya, didn't find the image.
asciilifeform: shinohai: lel, wasn't this last year's thread ..?
shinohai: I didn't archive the source on that one because it has stupid javascript or something that obscued the article, making it pointless.
ben_vulpes: i haven't seen gribble quit in some time.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#655 << she was spot-on, actually. i don't think anyone who wasn't here can even grok what sort of copumpkin-esque imbeciles counted for miners back then. it's cleared immensely.
shinohai: I know but there aren't even lolz any more, nary an ingenious scam to be found.
asciilifeform: 'What there's need for is people to sit down with a cup of coffee and a (preferably printed) copy of the code and just read it through. This can be done in bits as long as the bits aren't arbitrarily segmented (it's ok to summarize a procedure, it's not ok to summarize between lines 520 and 545). Once we have a few of these completed we're already very far down the road.' << mpoepr
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-19: [18:25:45] <asciilifeform> tx can't be any bigger than block.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-19: [18:25:12] <ben_vulpes> did some late night back-of-the envelope on script length and miminum transaction size and i don't recall it breaching u32
mircea_popescu: doesn't work, of course, but then again lemmings aren't looking for solutions ; merely for the appearance thereof.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-19: [17:53:56] <asciilifeform> (you don't know that it will be orphaned until later)
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#461 << technically you don't know it will be orphaned ever, because "being orphan" is not a quality of a block/chain. if tomorrow we decide to extend an "orphan" from 2014 and in the process strand extant bitcoin, we ~can~.
phf: asciilifeform: ha, still doesn't account for 7-trit machines!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "dad i wanna get married" "honeybunch, you'll get old and your tits will sag and it'll suck. don't get married, it's a dead end" << LOL
phf: it doesn't matter, because on your box with 7-trit trytes you make your reader/writer infrastructure read it correctly
phf: (4 sequence uint32_t))
phf: (4 lock-time uint32_t))
phf: (4 version uint32_t 1)
ben_vulpes: (there's a fair amount of garbage in the thing i didn't feel like cluttering the discusison with)
phf: ben_vulpes: i still think there's some misunderstanding. once you have a compact size reader, you don't automatically get "read N objects of compact size count"
asciilifeform: tx can't be any bigger than block.
ben_vulpes: did some late night back-of-the envelope on script length and miminum transaction size and i don't recall it breaching u32
ben_vulpes: i don't even think you can have max compact size anything in trb.
phf: ooh, you don't write c, yes, it's a common pattern
phf: oh, then i don't grok your question. "yes, it's exactly like any other hand-rolled variable length integer in c land"
asciilifeform: it isn't even about 'attack surfaces', but for getting maximally compact description. i.e. fits-in-head.
asciilifeform: which unfortunately isn't the case for variable-length types in it
phf: well, while asciilifeform's yak shaving, i don't think this is correct way to handle the type
asciilifeform: (t 1))))
phf: ben_vulpes: you don't have to store first-octet since, it's a property of variable-integer (also if you change variable-integer, you'll have to make sure to correspondingly update first-octet)
asciilifeform: (you don't know that it will be orphaned until later)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but look on bright side: if you have the thing running on your box, it won't run away, you can vivisect it until you learn whatever you wanted to learn.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform haven't bothered, no.
asciilifeform: iirc it isn't far from mircea_popesculandia.
mircea_popescu: "dad, i want to put the cat's head on the dog's body, can i borrow your hair trimmer ?" "that won't work, it's too small and it will get clogged in blood. here's the chainsaw."
asciilifeform: 'if foobar is broken, i will put it in BIG FUCKING BOTTLE from which it WON'T DARE escape'
asciilifeform: 'if i don't understand how foobar works, i can declare it irrelevant and never need to understand'
mircea_popescu: (i'm not even proposing it isn't, just wanna see what the showing would look like.)
asciilifeform: fella 'asks' regularly, 'my bulldog head that i stitched onto this rhinoceros just won't wake up, plox help'
mircea_popescu: trinque his objection is to the notion of "learn" and "knowledge" involved in that statement though, you might've noticed. and i don't really see it's altogether weak.
trinque: doesn't bother me one bit, only demonstrated that "I don't know how to network these two machines" and got thunked to... learn that.
mircea_popescu: no, it's not just you, it's me too. but he didn't ask us!
asciilifeform: i'd personally rather see folks explore directions that haven't been explored to agonizing death and conclusively mapped as dead.
mircea_popescu: it ~is~ as if all you wanna talk about is why he shouldn't do what he figures he wants to do. this isn't very bright, is it ?
mircea_popescu: "dad i wanna get married" "honeybunch, you'll get old and your tits will sag and it'll suck. don't get married, it's a dead end"
asciilifeform: it isn't as if we tied him to a pole to keep him from going into it.
asciilifeform: there ~isn't a pro computing market.
trinque isn't mad at the idea of a hardware db
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform YOU don't. because one's ideology, ie, theoretical insight, is a shield for that one.
mircea_popescu: trinque having a sane prototype is not a bad idea ; whether you can or you can't make it.
trinque: this isn't a reason not to do it, but it describes limitations that are unavoidable
mircea_popescu: yes. the "can't abstract broken software with other software" is a restatement of godel, "There may not exist specific algorithm A for any formal system F that includes statements of certain elementary mathematical truth as well as its own consistency so that A will create subsystem F' which is consistent and an homology of F"
phf: asciilifeform: fwiw there isn't actual athena in mcclim, it's a skin designed to look that way
gabriel_laddel: can't and doesn't happen. Never ever ever.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: "but you can't abstract over hardware"
mircea_popescu: phf in his defense, nobody has any fucking patience to fuck with computers. if anyone did, they wouldn't be learning how to program.
phf: well, gabriel_laddel doesn't have the patience to grok the system he's hosting on from the user perspective, how's he going to upkeep it from the dev perspective?
asciilifeform: and i don't get any of these mysterious wtf's.
trinque: asciilifeform: no but whichever gentoo init script or something wasn't bolting it on correctly
asciilifeform: trinque: pts isn't a gentoo-specific ball of shit
trinque can't wait until masamune realizes that google fucked gentoo into a million pieces
trinque: in related lul, I installed gentoo on this here laptop this weekend, and promptly removed it after x11 terminals couldn't be launched because /dev/pts is a magical fake filesystem with apparently myriad knobs and switches.
mircea_popescu: at least never met one that didn't.
scriba: vulnerabilities involved to the public. Without this information the public simply assumed t
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider emplacing the thing into the #t subjline
asciilifeform: if gabriel_laddel recently uploaded a commonlisp that doesn't behave like a retarded child when, e.g., socket shits itself 10,000time/sec, i must've missed..?
gabriel_laddel: I'm perfectly happy to use a lisp socket, but if I can't do it via netcat, I don't think it'll work via lisp