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Luceo: I think that ASIC manufacturer would be more likely to sell slashed price chips than attack the network
Diablo-D3: not only is it good for me, it means I trivially destroyed your attack against me
Diablo-D3: what happens when I have every hardware made
Diablo-D3: no, I know Im right
midnightmagic: Diablo-D3: lol you know I'm right. We both know I'm right.
Diablo-D3: yeah, what happens if I run all the brands of asic PLUS gpus and fpgas?
Luceo: k so what if I run 3 different brands of ASIC?
midnightmagic: In fact, I'm pretty sure someone recently already has gotten >50%. But if they play nice and don't screw with the network trust, then it doesn't matter does it?
Diablo-D3: okay so, I have a bunch of nodes that seem like they're coming from different continents, and none of them connect to the same peers by collusion
Diablo-D3: and what happens when I use tor and segregate my bitcoinds to different parts of the network?
Diablo-D3: I could very well run my own asics in china
midnightmagic: Here I'll quote: "That is not necessarily true. ASIC vendors are advised to implement an alternative algorithm they can switch to in case of emergency like this. If the community felt it necessary to block out ASICMINER (or some other hostile ASIC hoarder), the other ASIC vendors would then publish their secret alternative algorithms, and Bitcoin could be made to support those."
Diablo-D3: and why do you think I wanted DMC to have substantial hashpower from multiple manufs?
Diablo-D3: infact I unsubscribed from the asicminer thread due to all the trolling
Diablo-D3: I dont know, Ive already asked theymos to ban him until he stops trolling
Azelphur: I imagine if bitcoin changed algo it'd probably be the fastest way to kill the network, so your point is moot
midnightmagic: Chaang-Noi: I will in a moment, I'm in pacific time.
Diablo-D3: if I write my own bitcoin client? mine.
midnightmagic: Why would I? I'll send my money to people who don't cannibalize their customers' potential profit.
mircea_popescu: just like any other business i support.
midnightmagic: Diablo-D3: Why would I support a business which intends to compete directly against other miners?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Look at it from the customers' perspective. Why the hell would I buy a mining tool from the same company who's already staked the choicest claim and mined it for all it's worth?
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 can't say that i do. if they took preorder money and financed from that then yes
mircea_popescu: if i use a car i can't sell it anymore ?
Diablo-D3: I paid him to do it
midnightmagic: I am not acknowledging its correctness, I'm saying it's irrelevant whether that is true or not.
midnightmagic: I'm failing to see how that is a counter-example to my point.
Diablo-D3: I dont see whats wrong with that strictly
Diablo-D3: midnightmagic: I dont think they're going to maintain a perm farm
Diablo-D3: I think you're confused about how asicminer is operating
midnightmagic: I'd also like to point out that I'm one of the very few people who doesn't think you tried to do something naughty with usagi and that nefario freezing your shares was a dick move.
midnightmagic: The conflict appears to be arising because you seem to have backed an anticompetitive horse and I think they're going to get stomped by the bitcoin devs.
midnightmagic: Also, I'm not trolling you. Either you know something you aren't telling, or you don't. Either way it doesn't change what I'm going to do: all it changes is you're pretending to know something that's impossible to verify (show me da unicorn) or not.
midnightmagic: Say he did "copy" even the design of the asicminer, as you are implying. Why wouldn't I prefer to put my money with ngzhang when asicminer is going to mine against their own device customers, with the money their customers use to buy their devices?
Diablo-D3: did your jimmies get rustled over the fact I know more than you do?
midnightmagic: I don't see where ngzhang said he's using SMIC IP.
Diablo-D3: erm, I say this?
Diablo-D3: though, hilarious part, I would have gone the same path
midnightmagic: ngzhang, regardless of whether he's "copying" someone's business plan, has delivered more reliably, and more openly I might add, than anyone building mining hardware put together.
midnightmagic: Yes, of course I do.
Chaang-Noi: midnightmagic i think food will go up in price but no it is not a fact
Diablo-D3: I "broke" this news like a billion months ago
OneMiner: I gotta take this one.
OneMiner: Friend is here. I'm out. Lates o/
OneMiner: Not a joke. I'm very sad to say I'm serious.
OneMiner: I had some right wing (they listen to Rush, yes that far right) folks who I had known my entire life say, "Yes, our marriage will be affected" but then they couldn't say one more word on HOW. Also they think CFL lightbulbs are a conspiracy and probably a ponzi.
OneMiner: Also, I demand that a plate of pasta be stamped into the next coins they mint! It's that or it's discrimination!
OneMiner: No access to any special groups. I go further in saying that religions should NOT be tax exempt in any way.
OneMiner: If someone can't practice their religion, that's oppression. Is that what you were saying? I don't follow.
OneMiner: I agree.
OneMiner: Also seperation of church and state. When someone gets that wrong I'm like *facepalm* all damn day. It's pretty much the best idea ever, and there are those who oppose it.....
kuzetsa: 2) I'm a non-violent taoist
kuzetsa: 1) I'm disabled
OneMiner: You know. I really love a lot about the US. But there's some things that just make me furious. Rigged elections and grey area assasinations are some things that boil my blood.
OneMiner: Oh, I just ment that without a paper trail the credibility (as shown in past elections) is zero.
OneMiner: Ether that or do paper punch and I'll burn all the electronic machines myself.
OneMiner: I'm not in favor of any voting machine that dosen't give out a receipt. Paper trail FTW!
OneMiner: Meh, citizens can be killed without trial by careful application of lables. I gotta get into that biz.
kakobrekla: that what i used to thought.
Diablo-D3: I was like, they can charge you for intent to sell
dub: and I got 6 months community service
dub: Smoovious: I arrived home once to find 7 cop cars in my driveway
kuzetsa: Diablo-D3: ok uhm... president obama "arrests" people. that's my other question I nearly asked, but since you were trolling nevermind
BTC-Mining: I got to keep spending the BTC
Obsi: Oh I know that
Obsi: Could encrypt and provide password to shareholders I guess
nefario: I thought it was funny
Diablo-D3: nefario: yes, I saw you trolling
nefario: call them up and say "I hear you've got an opening"
BTC-Mining: Arf, I seem to be having problems with my connection. Somehow for every page load, my connection needs five seconds to start. Only then does it start loading the page.
mircea_popescu: i fail to see how first time offense goes to life w/o parole.
mircea_popescu: so anyway, i'm "looking it up" : http://www.ussc.gov/Guidelines/2011_guidelines/Manual_HTML/index.cfm
Bugpowder: I don't really care. They either ship or they don't ship.
mircea_popescu: i mean sure, the us govt is a piece of shit, always trying to fuck over independent folks
mircea_popescu: i still don't see the connection between fraud and gambling.
Bugpowder: I recommend wife for one of mp's forums
kakobrekla: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UgzEKjF9
kuzetsa: I have what I like
kuzetsa: I could find other people ranking adobe as not first
kuzetsa: I'm fine with my existing tools (more of which are opensource than corel)
kuzetsa: my window manager I can operate multiple apps pretty bloody fast
kuzetsa: I simply don't use adobe audition because I find cool edit more useful
kuzetsa: despite that, I actually have an adobe audition licen...
kuzetsa: adobe audition doesn't have any new features I find useful
kuzetsa: I still have a cool edit pro license
kuzetsa: would take years to be as productive as I am with corel
kuzetsa: I just don't feel like burning any points on the adobe learning curve
kuzetsa: the SSD on my laptop is only 256 gig so I prefer not to have too much crap installed
kuzetsa: I'm faster with qwerty (80 WPM)
kuzetsa: that's why I use corel :P
kuzetsa: well I use crunchyroll, hulu, various streaming thingies (including a program or two on MSNBC like rachel maddow) so I need it for more than just youtube
mircea_popescu: i don't use flash player
kuzetsa: I need exactly zero adobe in my life (beyond adobe flash player)
kuzetsa: I've had zero problems moving data between various graphic applications (pastebuffer, import / export or otherwise)
kuzetsa: I guess
kuzetsa: I'm a corel fangirl
nefario: ok I'm off to burger king
__Atlas__: I don't know how anyone speculates on GIGAMINING
jcpham: if I'm being hinest
jcpham: Chaang-Noi said i was an "opportunistic troll"