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asciilifeform: diana_coman: place seems to have a++ service , asciilifeform was sat in the board room in the throne and treated like royalty. fwiw.
asciilifeform had a very 'you get what pay for' upbringing so hesitant to 'get excite'. but it's by all indications a genuine rack, in genuine dc, and dirt cheap. we find out moar by actually pluggin' in...
diana_coman: the eu-cheap usually means they have a dc in moldova/ro/bulgaria, lolz.
asciilifeform: and all this, for a pittance.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i hesitate to say 'a+++ machinepark' until i've, lol, actually plugged sumthing in. but by all indications promising, in-biz since '94 and claims 0 outage complaints to date. sits on regional backbone.
asciilifeform: will write a photops0t right after tea, re: what i found inside.
diana_coman: and I still want to take a rk there, as soon as it's available really; atm my sad pile of isp idiots is only growing ,with not much useful to show for it.
asciilifeform: took a while to go over the contract, cross out things i didn't like , etc. but all eaten. rack people took the dough, promised keys on friday (apparently needs day to clear cheque and day to run wire.)
BingoBoingo has a couple requests for blogs to stand up on 'anyserver' to attend to.
mp_en_viaje: there won't be a yes/no until there's a specific list of what pizarro actually proposes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 14:44:22 asciilifeform: mp actually left the q 'in what pay' open until liquidation set up. but imho oughta ask him again , if we're actually considering a transport run .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 14:05:36 asciilifeform: mod6: think about whether it may be good idea to try an' structure asciilifeform's , diana_coman's , other folx, rack efforts, as a continuation of piz. ( rly oughta ask mp whether this makes sense , tho ) . otherwise can operate as 'errymanforhimself'.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-14 22:18:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'coloco' fella asked if i had any personally-owned ip chunks. ( asciilifeform does not . ) but iirc mp did. if this machinepark turns out to be worthwhile, and mp ends up sending in a box(s) , he could actually use own ips there.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-14#1945465 << i'd rather delegate wholesale than create a bits-and-pieces madness.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-14 18:22:21 asciilifeform: meanwhile, dig update : found a smaller isp literally 5km from my chair, 300/mo (us) for 22u half-cab, 100Mb/s unlim.; asked re ddos, d00d answr'd 'multiple balanced pipes, and we dun block, eat.' no contract commits. will be goin' there tomorrow to see with eyes before buying. ( fella pleasant enuff, offered to broker a /24 from arin , '5-6k', i said '1st lesse' . w/out arin, 2.50 $ / ea. ip from shop. )
mp_en_viaje: ahh, what a pleasure with these logs already!
asciilifeform: mod6: imho mp is right re tbf btw. it's a stone chained to leg of mod6 and dragging it isn't producing detectably useful output presently imho .
mod6: I haven't made a final decision yet though.
asciilifeform: mod6: didja ever get an output from ben re his replacement in tbf ? afaik any possible transmutation of tbf requires at least a nod from the fella, given as he seems to be alive, and not yet formally drummed out
asciilifeform: mp actually left the q 'in what pay' open until liquidation set up. but imho oughta ask him again , if we're actually considering a transport run .
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness, there is also a possible variant where 4 boxen need pick up, but want to go to somewhere other than asciilifeform's. this is to be left to the owners, if indeed 4 boxen, and their owners want to move'em.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 14:05:36 asciilifeform: mod6: think about whether it may be good idea to try an' structure asciilifeform's , diana_coman's , other folx, rack efforts, as a continuation of piz. ( rly oughta ask mp whether this makes sense , tho ) . otherwise can operate as 'errymanforhimself'.
mod6: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945550 << In my opinion, Pizarro is done, and should be liquidated. Whatever the next isp-like-item that comes up should be a new thing of its own.
asciilifeform: mp actually suggested this last week, as a possible backup for ordinary post if the degree of retardation involved in the latter is beyond what can be digested
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the orcs double-taxation thing appears to make transportation impractical, we may want to consider a pickup flight by asciilifeform . can remove 4u of boxen for ~2k (us) total . for certain machines even this may be +ev.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aite. It involves retaining a customs dispatcher. I'll see what they want to produce this type of paperwork.
BingoBoingo: Also anything going to with a declared value of 200 USD or above needs some export paperwork done. The past few months have seen rather large outbound cocaine busts bound for Europe, so the export inspection folk that haven't been arrested are likely a bit on edge.
BingoBoingo: DHL offers a more predictable per kilogram pricing model versus the FedEx black box, but they supposed just under 450 figuring an extra kilogram of packing.
BingoBoingo: Fedex economy came in with an estimate a bit under 300 USD given the dulap's dimensions and bathroom scale weight without packaging. Packaging at this moment is looking like it will end up being mover's foam rolls and improvised cardboard box/wrap held together with substantial tape.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo plox to comment re ^ when you get a chance.
asciilifeform: mod6: think about whether it may be good idea to try an' structure asciilifeform's , diana_coman's , other folx, rack efforts, as a continuation of piz. ( rly oughta ask mp whether this makes sense , tho ) . otherwise can operate as 'errymanforhimself'.
asciilifeform: i'ma 1st get the rack tho, and its ~exact~ cost, and ~then~ come up with prices. ( will be cheaper than piz, cuz elementarily , in a quite high-risk location , not to mention the rack per se is 5x cheaper per u )
mod6: I'll wait a bit to see how things progress on that matter, and if all good, maybe will have bv just send the box directly there. Would save me a bunch of shipping fees.
asciilifeform: mod6: it's a usa rack, but (supposedly) locking, and in 20min range of asciilifeform , who will be gardening it personally
mod6: Yeah, not sure if we care about the ML any more as far as a communication tool for development or what not. So getting the archives back up is a decent start.
asciilifeform: mod6: i'ma be inspecting and possibly leasing a rack today. if this goes properly, mod6 can consider installing $box there .
mod6: I spent a fair amount of time yesterday trying to get Mailman working, which was frustrating, but no luck yet. If nothing else, I think I'll just ensure that all of the archives are visible somehow.
mod6: diana_coman: Yeah, thanks. BB made me a backup before the drives were pulled. I've placed all of the tbf website files back onto the original vps that used to host the site. So far, seems everything is working ok (as far as I can tell), other than the Mailing List.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: iirc mod6 and ben colo'd a second box in a different rack somewhere.
BingoBoingo suspects mailing list probably ought not to be on a blog box, even if it isn't intended to send outgoing dispatches.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945518 << it was a piz box. ( BingoBoingo is it being moved to 'anyserver' ? )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ~2MB/s download. a++
diana_coman had a fox staring from the garden, only yest
mp_en_viaje: oh, and a flock of fucking deer in the cultivated field just like that, by the side of the road
diana_coman: ftp://logs.ossasepia.com/ - I've setup a ftp mirror for asciilifeform as he currently has only the slow loper-os; he already uploaded the dulap tarball; it has anonymous read-only access for anyone interested/having trouble with loper-os.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2019/a-guide-to-systematically-exploring-the-entrails-of-mp-wp-illustrated-using-some-weird-found-in-the-post-editor << The Tar Pit -- A guide to systematically exploring the entrails of MP-WP, illustrated using some weird found in the post editor
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell trinque Were you wanting a blog set up on the 'anyserver' as well?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dulap-I was iirc a centos6 box. it is possible to live in it. but you dun get the fine-grained scalpel that gentoo folx are accustomed to.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, my CentOS 6 review: It's like Gentoo in that you end up building all of the moving parts. It differs from Gentoo in not having a portage full of recipes for doing so.
asciilifeform: a
BingoBoingo: traceroute between the chair and 'anyserver' includes a 112 ms hop from brasil to ny
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'coloco' fella asked if i had any personally-owned ip chunks. ( asciilifeform does not . ) but iirc mp did. if this machinepark turns out to be worthwhile, and mp ends up sending in a box(s) , he could actually use own ips there.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol, asciilifeform apparently not awake at all, ~just now~ understood that was reading a july piece.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect to very soon have a 'touchable' cage. unless i turn up something truly outrageous tomorrow at the site visit.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For some reason feedbot pushed a July post.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, dig update : found a smaller isp literally 5km from my chair, 300/mo (us) for 22u half-cab, 100Mb/s unlim.; asked re ddos, d00d answr'd 'multiple balanced pipes, and we dun block, eat.' no contract commits. will be goin' there tomorrow to see with eyes before buying. ( fella pleasant enuff, offered to broker a /24 from arin , '5-6k', i said '1st lesse' . w/out arin, 2.50 $ / ea. ip from shop. )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: afaik it'd do no harm to enable both sets of flags ; simply makes for a slightly moar 'obese' kernel.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: to ~make~ a tarball that can be used in place of 'r2', using a working install w/ whatevr customizations in it, mount the fs at a /mnt/gentoo and then e.g. tar pcvfz diana_coman-gentoo.tar.gz /mnt/gentoo . this snapshot can then be used to replicate $box to whatever others.
asciilifeform: btw diana_coman , forgot to mention a detail that perhaps obv., but maybe not, and may prove useful in your 'make fleet o'boxen' :
mp_en_viaje: every instagram whore's gonna try and trade "followers" for a steak at my table, it's the nature of female youth.
mp_en_viaje: what else is a following for, if not tryina arbitrage it against the only eternal thing ?
asciilifeform: lol! are they tryin' to set up a 'chinese' 'ban on tuesday, load up at discount, unban on thursday, unload on friday, repeat' 4cycle engine ?
asciilifeform: ( before there was a asciilifeform logger, the 'mine canary' was that shell, scrolling stats 24/7 since asciilifeform got off plane from pizistan )
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2019/naked-sluts-in-hotel-rooms-a-frank-discussion-of-harem-sexuality-the-warm-pubic-reception-of-the-general-public-and-other-typos/?b=this%20here%20is&e=now%20on#select other reference, for completeness
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this partic. shop appears to be a monopoly in ~400km radius of asciilifeform's chair. ( all the other dc, serve only lulazon, usg, etc )
mp_en_viaje: unchen till yest etc) resulted in a delay.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, unrelatedly : for the folk awaiting trilema publication of divers reports, as were implicitly due for q3 sometime early october : i had every intention of doing them, if not by the 5th day as trad. absolute value at least sorta by 15th (as scaled value, 3x the months, 3x5 days) or something. but then, whole pizaro debacle, adding to the fact that i'm traveling and that's never so fixed a schedule (for instance, i was orig supposed to be in m
diana_coman: I have to admit that after a while I had at least fun asking them this sort of direct questions with no-possible-reasonable-answer-oh-noez
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-12 diana_coman: asciilifeform: no, the point is *before* anything; because they won't quite want to say/admit "yes, you pay for us to disconnect you" but onth if they say "no, we don't", they are in a bigger pickle when they do so...
mp_en_viaje: re the ddos thing of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944835 : i believe it likely ~same dork who started original pizarro troubles ; whatever birthday hundy his mommy gave him was enough for occasional 2Gbps bursts, sub-minute in length, and otherwise 4-5Mbpm sustained over a few mins, and otherwise whole fuel tank good for ~half a day or so.
asciilifeform: still want a reach-with-hands 'postbox' tho !
mp_en_viaje: sure, but a box locked by a wot man offers the golden standard.
asciilifeform: well consider, you didn't notice that he was dead. wasn't much of a runner in recent decades.
mp_en_viaje: a ? must've been a blow to the rubber chicken salesmen.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma incorporate the linked items (apparently missed on 1st pass) but will wait for final verdict from diana_coman in next 2d if no one else is in a burning hurry to have recipe.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: see from there down, there's a few more, arguably more important too
mp_en_viaje: for a period nobody could properly replicate anything. in ru this extended to like 1955
asciilifeform: for a period, ~nobody could properly replicate.
asciilifeform recently, when 'took r&r break' briefly, unearthed that apparently r. boyle was accused by t. hobbes of, essentially, of 'cyclotron', for introducing the (expensive, at the time) air pump as a centerpiece of royal society demos. pretty interesting vintage wank.
asciilifeform: is how one gets 'a clue', neh. from them clue-mines.
mp_en_viaje: funny thing is, ~only known method to getting a clue is same.
asciilifeform: esp. by folx w/ a clue.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: for given recipe, this required at the very least a rebuild world and given the goal of checking if indeed can bring up both servers, preferably sooner rather than later, I did not attempt that.
mp_en_viaje: not necessarily right nao, but as a design principle.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: entirely correct. for instance, after adding a ban flag, to bring the system into conformance with it takes a 'rebuild world', i.e. 2-3 day process.
mp_en_viaje: grand problem with c-anything is that there's no php-like "lulz, three stiches and a dab, you'll be done in five hours). anythng, ANYTHING, even something as simple as "make the fucking int datatypes match across the code" turn into multi-week, 100+ hour projects.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: the problem is that the recipe makes a system on which openssl is *already installed*
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945156 << we're moving off of it, but it is a LARGE spot of work.
asciilifeform: but to revisit upstack -- i pulled this item off shelf to help diana_coman , who has legacy softs that are known not to work in cuntoo. and for own needs, because my attempts to bake a working cuntoo have failed ( and take ~day or so to even fire off, so difficult so far to debug . )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 17:00:20 asciilifeform: begins to suspect that he's making a 'cheap chinese cuntoo', maybe this is Wrong Thing
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945135 << the risk with enumerating such is that nao any slashdot "buyer" / malware distributor has a list to work off of.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: chroots are tricky , but there is a very limited use of'em in the r4 recipe (where could not avoid.)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:44:55 asciilifeform: diana_coman: in the single-stick item i'm baking atm, there is a dir where all the turnable-knob configs are in , and copied to the new disk as part of install. so user can set'em up beforehand, rather than to work inside the chroot.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945133 << problem with "work inside chroot" is well documented in a meanwhile lost hanbot articler
asciilifeform begins to suspect that he's making a 'cheap chinese cuntoo', maybe this is Wrong Thing
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:43:57 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to put as much as possible correct config in the tarball, rather than have user '1st fix a, then fix b, etc'
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945131 << this is a sound principle anyways.
diana_coman: so I don't see a big problem with including a gnat in the canister
asciilifeform: this requires a certain amt of user fiddling tho.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: as far as I recall though, choosing the gnat is just a matter of setting PATH, isn't it?