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mircea_popescu: now, anyone trying to get into this fund would first have to take a 45% haircut, as mp tax.
mircea_popescu: suppose instead of 1.5% (or the initial .88%) i charged 45%.
mircea_popescu: exactly :)
mircea_popescu: well that's why i say
mircea_popescu: so i guess your objection reduces to this not being a high risk/high reward enough for you thing ?
mircea_popescu: however, this diversification also breeds security.
mircea_popescu: sure, in principle the later investments would attract lower margins than the earlier investments.
mircea_popescu: but listen. this is an investment fund. its business is to invest. if it does well, it would naturally receive more cash to invest.
mircea_popescu: mike_c how does one follow from the other ?
mircea_popescu: aty
mircea_popescu: and weight ~= safety.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: that's 1.5% compounded monthly.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.015**(12*20)
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: roughly.
mircea_popescu: Cash BTC deposited in http://trilema.com/2014/fmpif-april-2014-statement/
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves into the f.mpif's cash position.
mircea_popescu: mike_c 1.5%
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves because they're issued at nav.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2014#652833 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: mike_c i won't stop issuing shares.
mircea_popescu: (could have given you .5% but imo too narrow, so)
mircea_popescu: gave you some space.
mircea_popescu: jurov yes, went out of your bounds. i was at .88% before i enacted the 1% collar for you.
mircea_popescu: someone else wants to pay over 15 pips or why do i issue more shares ?
mircea_popescu: ok.
mircea_popescu: he can't overpay by 6%, because i sell to him at 101.5
mircea_popescu: to him.
mircea_popescu: mike_c ok.
mircea_popescu: 213.2whatevetiwas
mircea_popescu: no, i deposited nav to get another mn shares.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves how ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i don't do any, their job.
mircea_popescu: first off, why would this thing "make money" other than through nav going up ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c there are some things conflated in there i don't follow.
mircea_popescu: anyway, mike_c et all : his job is not so bad, he gets a guaranteed 2.5% every time he flips.
mircea_popescu: $depth f.mpif
mircea_popescu: alrighty, i'll give you a pass on what looks like a ~0.5% loss so far for may :p
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 213*1.02
mircea_popescu: i guess this was too far inzone.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 215/213.15
mircea_popescu: i won't issue shares unless we're looking at a 105% or something like that.
mircea_popescu: that way you can always be overbid by users, should they want to.
mircea_popescu: suppose nav is 1. you don't bid over .99 and don't ask under 1.01
mircea_popescu: jurov do you follow the logic of this ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c it's not, but it's better if it's collared
mircea_popescu: that's your hard limit.
mircea_popescu: jurov : stay outside of 1% of nav on either direction.
mircea_popescu: actually! this brings a very useful clarification.
mircea_popescu: so why'd this look suspicious ?
mircea_popescu: anyone can go on top of that, at 5.1
mircea_popescu: so he has whatever, an order at 5.
mircea_popescu: but listen, he maintains the book.
mircea_popescu: how would someone frame him ?
mircea_popescu: it's still front running tho, and pretty visible
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well one's fraud and other's breach of duty of care
mircea_popescu: jurov so you make losses in your pc acct ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves afaik.
mircea_popescu: jurov how'd it go ?
mircea_popescu: jurov how do you mean ?
mircea_popescu: i should hope
mircea_popescu: but yeah i get it, you wanted some numbers to put in a formula
mircea_popescu: FabianB you expect panacea to lose 1.78 twice in a row ?
mircea_popescu: related : May 01 01:46:17 <mircea_popescu>mike_c is like never on anymore, he's almost like a guy with a day job and 3 side projects + a small kid or something.
mircea_popescu: FabianB but mpif already reported no loss from panacea in april.
mircea_popescu: aok
mircea_popescu: a) that was for april and b) panacea is like 20%ish of mpif
mircea_popescu: FabianB but... ummm
mircea_popescu wonders what 9822 is
mircea_popescu: bounce who that ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what'd he do exactly ?
mircea_popescu: ^ fluffypony on the topic of how good design begets business.
mircea_popescu: ie, exactly how markets work, because it's exactly how sanity requires.
mircea_popescu: and stuff like btcalpha.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: also desirable and unavoidalb.e
mircea_popescu: if you mean it removes the possibility of expecting to meet the performance of professionals on the budget and investment of an amateur, yes, this is correct.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this is precisely why being a financial professional is... you know... a profession.
mircea_popescu: o that.
mircea_popescu: i thought you hated the +m originally >D
mircea_popescu: so wait, we're letting TOO MANY people talk ?
mircea_popescu: why can't oine be a passive investor ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves how do you mean ?
mircea_popescu: who's they ?
mircea_popescu: this is so by fiat.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this channel does serve as the info distribution for all bitcoin finance.
mircea_popescu: mpif is also not obliged to put ALL its capital into pcs, it can keep a reserve
mircea_popescu: the weight of its book will eventually end up significant
mircea_popescu: mike_c i think it varies a lot over time too. for instance, pc4 is currentl;y very little exposed. but as a lot of bets are med term, 6 months, 1 yr
mircea_popescu: general manager even
mircea_popescu: mike_c dump some moar into jdice, for instance.
mircea_popescu: well yes.
mircea_popescu: mk ima add another 1mn shares then.
mircea_popescu: holy.
mircea_popescu: !t m f.mpif
mircea_popescu: not voiced here ?
mircea_popescu: aok
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla whichg post ?
mircea_popescu: http://zonadestiri.com/florin-popescu-a-cerut-70-tone-de-pui-pentru-a-le-da-cetatenilor-in-campania-electorala-2012-nitu-i-a-trimis-lui-cazanciuc-referatul-dna-pentru/ << florin popescu guy looks just like fucking karpeles.