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mircea_popescu: that's
tghe problem here. something wasn't good for an entire week
that suddenly became good.
this selective-bitcoin is in no sense bitcoin,
☟︎ mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1420457 <<
this is specifically NOT
the assumption. bitcoin being a working protocol however DOES mean
that you should be able
to assume
that if a
transaction is rejected, or not included, or delayed, or in any way
treated or not
treated it is solely on
the basis of data COMPLETELY contained in
that
transaction.
☝︎ ben_vulpes: so far none of
the bag^H^H^Hshareholders seem
to give a shit
punkman: I don't
think
this experiment is worth, say ~6 months of profits, but
that's strictly
the BB's board discretion.
danielpbarron: not
that
these are voting shares anyway, if you don't like it, sell.
danielpbarron: i
think he knows more
than I do about
this matter, and I
trust him when he says something is u
PeterL: danielpbarron yes, but
that would require
there
to be something rotten
to fight against, I
think mircea_popescu is just jumping at shadows
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 17:41:15; jurov: actually, i am surprised
that nobody of bitbet shareholders was loud about
this
danielpbarron:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1420349 << perhaps my holdings aren't significant enough
to have any weight on
the issue, but nontheless I as a BitBet shareholder agree with
the decision
to draw attention
to whatever issue at
the expense of a few months of dividends. At
the very least it can be seen as a marketing expense, BitBet being
the catalyst
to war against something
truly rotten in bitcoin, something
th
☝︎ PeterL: Is it strange
that we have had 10 empty blocks
today?
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 18:40:06; punkman: I don't
think "working" protocol means being able
to assume signed and broadcasted
tx has been forgotten and won't come back
to bite you in
the ass. What's in who's mempool is unknowable.
PeterL: even if it was removed from all mempools, would it be wrong for somebody
to rebroadcast
the
txn, it was signed after all
punkman: I don't
think "working" protocol means being able
to assume signed and broadcasted
tx has been forgotten and won't come back
to bite you in
the ass. What's in who's mempool is unknowable.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: jurov: If it makes you feel any better as an embedded reporter in
this conflict I sometimes wonder if, like
those reporters Bush sent into Iraq and coming away with a polished view because I am not yet made
to sleep in
the hills with nagant and donkey.
jurov: so i have my reservations about
these scenarios you and alf present here
jurov: for example
the ddos was solved leveraging aws infrastructure. but if
the ddosers had half a brain,
they'd have drowned me in aws bills
jurov: *shrug* i know you want some insights as
to
the actual war, but whatever ricocheted shots came my way (ddos,
tx problems), i solved myself in anti-#b-a ways without learning anything about
the enemy
mircea_popescu: and now, if
teh esteemed peerage may excuse me for a bit, i really gotta eat and make
this smg report. so bbs.
mircea_popescu: well, maybe not first in line, but anyway. somewhere in
that line.
mircea_popescu: but i'm first in line
to say i'd much prefer a bitcoin protocol
that was actually specified, and actually worked.
mircea_popescu: jurov> it's business is much closer
to
this goal
than bitbet <<
the argument, while in itself respectable, very much sadly not how
things work.
the jew on a ship, should
the ship catch fire, will be a fireman whether he signed up for voyage as jew or as fireman.
BingoBoingo: There's no cure for being 91, but it is amazing
the work physical and occupational
therapists can do
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've been hanging out at
the hospital with Grandpa while he rehabs from his stroke. I
think I might have a
touch of sympathy cognitive impairment.
BingoBoingo: because for
this purpose
the valuable part of BitBet is
the public addresses
BingoBoingo likes where
this is going. S.NSA acquisition of BitBet
to
test miner
turderations.
jurov: it's business is much closer
to
this goal
than bitbet
jurov: the pray
tell mr. datskovskiy, why aren't s.nsa funds used
to poke
this house of cards?
jurov: well, you keep asking people
to wake you up when it stops working
mircea_popescu: the problem with broken
things is exactly
that -
they "work" for you until
they don't. at which point...
jurov: i'm living off it for some years,
that's "works" for me.
mircea_popescu: jurov> let me at least know im funding
the war? << i'm sorry, you
thought bitcoin WORKED ?
mircea_popescu: jurov companies fold all
the
time.
this is a
thing. if in
the course of
their business
they fail
to make money,
they'll lose exactly as much money as
they lost.
mircea_popescu: or whatever, give away a grand
to
the general public so
that buffet can pretend like
there are no berkshire shorts. or other stuff.
BingoBoingo: <punkman> so bitbet has
to resolve 1800 btc of bets
to cover
the damage? << MP would only have
to bet a few hundred "No" on
Trump
to likely get money coming out of
the woodwork
to match it.
jurov: mircea surely has shown
them!!!
punkman: so bitbet has
to resolve 1800 btc of bets
to cover
the damage?
BingoBoingo: <jurov> let me at least know im funding
the war? << Seems reasonable
though BitBet particularly gets for
the lesser versions of
this shennanigans in
the past. Perhaps something
to do with its auditability.
jurov: best
to put straight into
the contract: "This venture's funds may be used
to enforce bitcoin protocol"
jurov: let me at least know im funding
the war?
jurov: *during course of
this recon
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: re: reactor
test << like how
they
tested
the reactor in Chernobyl with a "stress
test"
jurov: so, if in course if
this recon you manage
to completely obliterate bitbet's fund, you'll invoke your privilege and
tell everyone
to stfu??
mircea_popescu: you know how it sometimes happens
that a platoon gets sent on a random patrol, ends up surprising a moving contingent of enemy, a flurry of radioing and reinforcing and whatnot happens and suddenly
the front is in a new place ?
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 16:35:04; mircea_popescu: you have
to understand
that
the direct correlate of "bitcoin protocol is nowhere" is
that i'm stuck sitting here wasting
tons of resources and various people's
time doing an endless array of stupid or plain weird shit
to see what happens
to
try and understand what's what.
mircea_popescu: that's my priviledge. i'm
the one actually doing
things,
there.
jurov: no it's "lalalala all i did was very right and proper, it's YOU who have
to come up with
theory"
mircea_popescu: consider it a sort of coke machine for miner rigs. inasmuch as you do exactly what
they'd have done, you can keep it. else - reorg.
mircea_popescu: and you're a poopynose!! ha-HA!!! calling names is how you solve problems you don't wish
to consider! YAY KINDERGARTEN
jurov: that someone used
the stupidity against you, no wonder
jurov: no, you constructed and pushed forward your notion of "bitcoin protocol" wich led
to stupid actions with a money
that was not even yours
mircea_popescu: other
than
that, obviously whenever something blows up everyone wishes
to not have
to be in
the way. sure.
mircea_popescu: i can appreciate gut feel, but it's no sort of argument as
to anything.
mircea_popescu: . you wish
to contradict numeric results, fine, but show your own calculations in doing so.
mircea_popescu: jurov looky,
this
thing whereby in reaction
to a "this guy is accused of having killed
that guy and here's
the smoking gun" you come up with a "hey, i fired a gun once, and
the smoke went so and so" is a waste of
time. you wish
to construct an alternate
theory, please, by all means, i would wish
to hear it. but you must
take ALL
the points, and show
that your path crossing
them is cheaper
than
the one detailed on qntra
kakobrekla: needles
to say i dont agree with mps actions or interpretation of
the results, even if you
take out
the qntra comment.
jurov: all
the code
there is, does it
jurov: yes, because as opposed
to mircea_popescu i did read
the code closely and it does maintain chains of unconfirmed
transactions
jurov: and instead moved
thhe change with big fee
jurov: when had
transaction problem with coinbr withdrawal, i did not risk
mircea_popescu: this is what it does for its living :
tries
to extract value out of
the greatly economically valuable bitcoin
thing.
PeterL: jurov what do you
think we have been complaining about?
mircea_popescu: lmao. why
the fuck would you, or anyone else, expect me
to spend my own money
to resolve bitbet's problems ? what is
this company, a charity conduit ?
jurov: actually, i am surprised
that nobody of bitbet shareholders was loud about
this
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 17:15:50; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes, by
the
time
the 4th
txn
trying
to pay out bitbet vanished without a
trace, i was sort-of expecting it.
kakobrekla: yes, goes right
to
the water pipe under bathroom sink.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Ok, are you sure you used
the clip
to connect it
to ground
though?
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo regular
tin foil works for now where im sitting.
kakobrekla: however my
tin foil seems
to be
thick enough, for now.
kakobrekla: as i mentioned before, if you really believe
that miners are conspiring against bitbet (via known outputs and amounts)
then its game over for bb.