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mircea_popescu: tbh, i thought that perfectly credible.
BTC-Mining: While what I claim Nefario claimed has a public log not contested by GLBSE shareholders of their meeting.
mircea_popescu: i've been so far perfectly unable to confirm much of it. but who knows.
BTC-Mining: No, but some credible or related people have made the claims and have seen them. And I said the fact was Nefario CLAIMED it, not if he lied or not about it.
BTC-Mining: Only that I know of it from Nefario's meeting with the shareholder, for which the log is not disputed by any shareholder.
BTC-Mining: As for the other part where I claim facts, I cannot actually claim direct sighting of those facts.
BTC-Mining: I came for answers and although your statements were a bit cryptic at first, I ended up with my answers.
BTC-Mining: As such, I might have been wrong. But I never presented it as a fact. Although technically we're on a public medium in this channel, this was a conversation between you and me.
smickles: mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/lumDI.png
BTC-Mining: I understood it as data would be preserved within the saved "stat" data.
BTC-Mining: Well actually, I understood it badly.
BTC-Mining: I completly missed that second line.
BTC-Mining: Mea culpa I guess. You were talking about how it's unreasonable to keep the data indefinitly. I understood it as all the data. I pointed out I was annoyed by this.
mircea_popescu: (ftr, i see it fine)
mircea_popescu: i've not been on reddit today, you;ve kept me busy
smickles: 04:46 < mircea_popescu> i didn't say i delete all data lol. i said the shares are discarded as worthless
smickles: 04:37 < mircea_popescu> what, am i going to log into twitter and delete tweets ?
smickles: 04:35 < mircea_popescu> i'm not about to delete f.giga.etf entries from the historical records.
smickles: 02:18 < mircea_popescu> BTC-Mining i can't delete "all data" man. the signed stats will forever exist.
mircea_popescu: i didn't say i delete all data lol. i said the shares are discarded as worthless
BTC-Mining: When you said you'd delete ALL data for the ETF, I understood it as ALL the data. Including signed transactions...
smickles: wow, you have written policy, don't you, I've gone thru this exact proceeding
mircea_popescu: I. Person complains about MPEx.
smickles: I know for a fackt that mircea_popescu has a cron job of rm -rf /home/user/mpex/db.sql
mod6: haha, i was afk, then scrolled back. was thinking "didn't we just have this conversation an hour ago?!"
mircea_popescu: what, am i going to log into twitter and delete tweets ?
BTC-Mining: I understood it as you were going to delete ALL data...
mircea_popescu: i'm not about to delete f.giga.etf entries from the historical records.
smickles: i think something flew over your head
smickles: oh gawd, i'm going to be in one of your posts looking silly again arn't i?
BTC-Mining: Well, if you don't mind, I have 2 final question.
BTC-Mining: After that statement, I think it went unnanswered and we kind of dropped getting anything clear out of it =/
mircea_popescu: ya well i dropped that part so.
BTC-Mining: I never addressed smickles or what he said at that point.
BTC-Mining: No, I stated afterward I answered yes to your "lol srsly" as if it was an answer to my question.
mircea_popescu: but you said yes to smickle's 30 years and i said nope
BTC-Mining: I think that part 2 hours ago is where it happened...
BTC-Mining: [22:21] <BTC-Mining> I guess would be were I'm getting at.
BTC-Mining: But I guess you were answering to the litteral sense of my question...
BTC-Mining: I think I asked something like, would you honor a signed statement? Which you answered as "No"
BTC-Mining: I understood it as any signed statement by MPEx would never ever be accepted in any circumstance by MPEx.
mircea_popescu: lol you know i could say "if you only asked this two hours ago" just as well :p
BTC-Mining: I would then consider it fine.
mircea_popescu: well, i don't think it was wasted time, something tells me this discussion will form precedent for many later discussions.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining lol we talked of this before, i have no way of knowing from the onset what exactly is the form that's clear to you
mircea_popescu: and i fully appreciate it may seem insane or w/e, but the fact of the matter is we are involved in very complex transactions and the only way to do all this is to do it CORRECTLY
mircea_popescu: turns out i was responsible to do it, too, cause it prevented teh crisis from compounding to some degree.
mircea_popescu: because i can't make future viewing statements on contingencies like that.
BTC-Mining: I have two question then.
mircea_popescu: and i had to stick to "all i'll do is pass along all that's passed to me"
BTC-Mining: Ah, I see...
mircea_popescu: no, cause it's a future question and i don't know the contingencies.
BTC-Mining: I'm really confused... can't you just say if you'll honor or not a valid claim to any shares?
mircea_popescu: smickles i will (and always have) satisfy legitimate claims against myself.
smickles: mircea_popescu: directly, if I had proof that i owned f.gigg.etf on dec 1, would you give me fair value of those shares at any point in the future if i relinquish my ownership of them?
mircea_popescu: now how would i know that ?
smickles: yeah, well, i'm inclined to agree with that course of action myself :
smickles: (i.e. in this situation, the f.giga holder)
smickles: "my bad" i suppose
smickles: i took that to mean a stat made after dec 1
smickles: BTC-Mining: i bet, that presenting a stat after info is released would get your benefit back
smickles: < mircea_popescu> since for instance i announced the exact time, what's to keep customers from just saving a stat ?
smickles: BTC-Mining: i've lost too high a % of my net worth by extending people courtesies to continue the practice
mircea_popescu: since for instance i announced the exact time, what's to keep customers from just saving a stat ?
copumpkin: I didn't see that
mircea_popescu: originally i read "retards"
smickles: i have no patients for giving people a little more time
mircea_popescu: i'd still be waiting for him.
mircea_popescu: smickles if he had the common courtesy to say you know, on oct 1, we are closed, i expect to pay everyone by the end of this week and release data by the end of the month cause so and so problems
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't accept one day. a week's a week. fuck you, pay me.
smickles: and without a declared timeframe from nefario, i'm starting to think that we can't reasonably expect to get the data in a reasonable amount of time
BTC-Mining: I'd accept 6 month as a minimum.
mircea_popescu: smickles i won't ask such a thing, it's absurd.
mircea_popescu: i have to extend my loan to 2050 ?
mircea_popescu: so listen, if i run a payday loan service, and i lend some guy 50 bucks for a week
BTC-Mining: Because he has the damn information to release and you have the claims to the shares I have claims to.
smickles: i'm sure it's april fools day even if it was the 11th
mircea_popescu: at any rate find me some place nefario says "and btw, if glbse goes down i will take ~6 months to release infos" on or around april 11, 2012
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: omg, that's exactly what I said
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: reminds me of this email I got this morning: http://snapplr.com/rv62
mircea_popescu: i mean... all this isn't for lack of trying
mircea_popescu: copumpkin fwiw, i contacted his theoretical lawyer about two weeks ago.
copumpkin: I don't mind moderate amounts of it, but doing it for its own sake is silly
copumpkin: nah, I actually didn't join a frat in college
mircea_popescu: well, i don't. why do i care what someone wants ?
mircea_popescu: i thought they are ;/
BTC-Mining: So on that account, I think delays should be set as such to allow the benefit of doubt that Nefario intends to repay.
mircea_popescu: but i stil lfail to see how the whole month of november is an unreasonable allowance to fucking pull some fields from a db and send them to peopkle
BTC-Mining: So was I. I could almost have expected to write it off almost right away.
copumpkin: I wonder what he's doing with all the money
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining ask copumpkin, i was pushing for pirate write-offs in august.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't erase the data right away on general principle.
BTC-Mining: Eh, I thought so too. 1 month is just a token period. You'd erase the data right away if it wouldn't raise protest. You already consider it gone.
BTC-Mining: I does not prevents him from disclosing the information.
BTC-Mining: I would have no problem accepting it if I had agreed the delay was reasonable, and waited the whole of that delay.
BTC-Mining: I'm contesting that this decision is appropriate for right now.
BTC-Mining: I'm not contesting it 1 month after. I'm contesting the fact you chose 1 month from day 1.
BTC-Mining: I'm contesting that.
mircea_popescu: more constructively, do you have something better than that, i'd want to know
mircea_popescu: i just didn't hear anything more reasonable.