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dub: (sure I've hit this problem before but I don't have access to txn history at the moment
dub: righto, I am mistaken
dub: I use bitcoind which I thing does that yes
jurov: i hope not
dub: I'm not even sure how to send an exact amount of bitcoins myself
jurov: i don't want to argue about it. just that i found the whole philosophy of placing pitfalls without a good reason just cause this is free country ... er.. lacking
dub: jurov: if a shop wants to make it very dangerous to go in and buy something, while its at odds with having customers, I don't have a problem with it
Diablo-D3: I have no clue where we are
dub: I too am excited about lunch
jcpham: i'd feel a lot better about that today
pigeons: yeah i agree
jcpham: i second guess a normal decison that makes sense
jcpham: i rarely second guess myself
jcpham: i'm terribly confused
midnightmagic: alright, my curiosity is satisfied. Thanks mircea_popescu. I'm sorry I keep persisting beyond the point normal people would.
jcpham: i wish your glass were half full on this
jcpham: i can only imagine how bad it'll be when an actual mistake is made
mircea_popescu: i will be extremely surprised if anyone actually uses it.
pigeons: yeah i htink mircea_popescu is pretending to be upset to make people more likely to see oh the rota isnt biased to mpex, let's use it
midnightmagic: Okay, then let me answer your earlier criticism: I am not late to the party after all. :-) Thank you. I'm just trying to understand.
Bugpowder: I just assumed this was all an MP scheme to get the Rota off the ground and produce credibility that MP was not pulling the strings.
jcpham: i'm going to go kill myself now
mircea_popescu: if i just said "fiogure it out" i doubt he;d have ever found his way rthrough in time
jcpham: i provided excellent suggestions on how to avoid this and i think mircea_popescu has sufficiently CYA'd for the next case of mistaken funds
mircea_popescu: dub i do not know why. i was being stewardly, i guess. trying to help the person along, because otherwise
midnightmagic: Ohhhh... I see.
mircea_popescu: pigeons i don't feel particularly criticised.
mircea_popescu: dub i did no such thing ?
dub: midnightmagic: I get that he was hoping to win and then benevolently refund the other guy
mircea_popescu: the problem is the judges (unwittingly, i am sure) indemnified the active party
jcpham: i bet eskimobob is orgasming
mircea_popescu: hey, what can i tell you.
mircea_popescu: well i guess it depends. dead babies are supposed to be funny.
dub: the "I keep it" rule
dub: mircea_popescu: if you had stuck to your rule I'd side with you, but you changed your mind after making him use the rota
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I thought I had. And then to get confirmation I've been asking people, and nobody, yourself included, can tell me why you're so upset.
midnightmagic: "the judges ruled that anyone can take any ammount of money from mpex at any time at their option." <-- this is the same, logically, as A-> ? ->C. I'm just trying to find the progression.
jcpham: i provided good suggestion to avoid this edge-case
midnightmagic: Nobody's really giving me a straight answer. Perhaps it only seems like I'm late because I have to wring the truth out of people.
midnightmagic: Here's how I understand it. The judges get paid a fee. 3 x 3 BTC (for three judges.) Everything else ended up with its rightful owner, correct?
jcpham: if a rota member tries it and i'm nominated i'm going to take their funds
mircea_popescu: so no. if anything, i went into the suit so as NOT to have to keep it.
mircea_popescu: a. no. i specifically went into the suit as an alternative to the "i simply keep it" rule in force.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Perhaps I am misunderstanding. Someone accidentally sent you too much bitcoin, right?
mircea_popescu: i can currently make no prediction whatever. that means no trust.
mircea_popescu: cuz i dun trust him.
midnightmagic: But I'm curious to know why you negrated pigeons?
mircea_popescu: i think the best way forward is if one of the lawschools does a summer project for this
mircea_popescu: i think i'm done with experiments in the people range.
Korbman: BFL pulled the same empty case stunt, and I don't really care that it's empty to begin with. It's just there to try and appease some of the people looking for pics
jcpham: i bet a pre-order one in the next round
Diablo-D3: the whole case I mean
Diablo-D3: I didnt know this
Diablo-D3: I thought you meant an empty fan slot
Diablo-D3: I can see all three fans clearly
Diablo-D3: okay I was wrong
mircea_popescu: i wonder if bfl next step, after tackling the android miner market, is to make z80 miner software.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: btw, I think they still make 6502s too
mircea_popescu: and i believed it!
Korbman: 4000nm I think
mircea_popescu: that box actually looks like the custom power unit i had for my old z80
Korbman: I suppose that's the result of 110nm processes
Korbman: I've got mixed feeling about a giant 400w steel box running only 66GH/s..
Korbman: Not yet...I figured people would start getting them next week, though it depends on how they shipped
pigeons: Now I withdrew from mtgox a long time ago \ Don't you see how late they're reactin' \ They only come and they come when they wanna
mircea_popescu: o yeah, yeah i do
mircea_popescu: i don't even remember ;/
smickles: but i bring it up because that was a bad news event on a significant (relatively) quick rise
mircea_popescu: well i guess we have bfl as a potential... tho i doubt they'll announce anything.
jcpham: if anyone killed your baby mircea_popescu i did
turbo_ac100: So I probably wouldn't use it
turbo_ac100: Well, where I normally read news is RSS and to a lesser degree twitter. So for me it would add one extra source of news inlet.
turbo_ac100: Yeah I'm buying shares passthrough on litecoinglobal right now
turbo_ac100: right now I use page2rss for the feed.
turbo_ac100: anyway I really like bbet. and more so than betsofbitco.in ;)
mircea_popescu: but i shall focus on making btc instead, no problems.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic because i'm the sort of idiot who tries to build people and institutions.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm off to bed. laters all.
mircea_popescu: with perfectly nothing i can do about it.
mircea_popescu: that doesn't change the fact that if i let things stand i can wake up tomorrow to 5000 fresh cases.
Namworld: I'll assume MtGox did that too considering the context
mircea_popescu: they piss on the public and guess what ? i'm the one idiot discussing it, so im the only idiot getting it in the teeth.
mircea_popescu: i'd have liked it too, but it's just not practical. mtgox keeps people's money fgor months/takes whatever out of it/etc,
Namworld: I'll have to find something else to spend my idle time.
Namworld: I like discussing such things tho
mircea_popescu: i'm really not open to publicly discussing mpex policies anymore. they are what they are and that's that.
mircea_popescu: i guess smarter people will find a solution at some point.
mircea_popescu: ya well what can i say. bitcoin stuff needs certainties.
pigeons: yes i used blockchain.info
smickles: i wasn't able to
jcpham: i think it is a good argument to have and you should have first choice in returning funds
mircea_popescu: but the bounced cheque comparison is possibly valuable. i don't imagine anyone with a bounced cheque failed to argue he made a mistake
mircea_popescu: i'm just gonna insist that peeps step up, take btc seriously etc.
jcpham: it's like bouncing a check and i think you should insulate yourself from it
mircea_popescu: i get it, i get it.
mircea_popescu: so far i'm out what, 150btcs in salaries + all the promotional effort, to make someting
jcpham: i would. it would be what i'd gain from this
jcpham: mircea_popescu i've thought about this more and i think you should simply monetize mistakes
mod6: i was actually thinking like 1% so like 128.7
mod6: yeah. that looks like what I was thinking it should be there abouts