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mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955615 << irl, most coin sits in appaling security contexts and yet "liberations" are indeed rare. it's a problem of roi, most
theft is opportunity-driven rather
than systematic (mirroring how most people's houses ~could~ be broken in,
by your gf. but most people's houses nevertheless aren't broken into -- and especially not by your
ossabot: Logged on 2018-01-28 00:58:37 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other chicks can code moments, "I earned my degree and license in cosmetology and had a horrible career as a hair dresser
that I ended in 2015 due
to social anxiety. I still love hair
theory, and I even really enjoy working on people with whom I share a close relationship, but now I'm in pursuit of a new path."
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:18:46 jfw: After
their hack / loss and change of ownership,
they downsized
to 3-4 people, none of whom could really maintain
the redeployed systems. So I ended up doing some part-time for
them in 2016.
This was short-lived: I found
their priorities entirely out of whack, it looked like
they were headed for nothing but more
trouble, and
they didn't listen
to me on much of anything.
The pretense pump I reckon.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:06:37 jfw: No fancy office
there, many worked from home. 'Excel shop' like all of 'em of course.
mp_en_viaje: if you'll ignore everything,
then what's
the point of
talking ? if you'll ignore random
things outside of even
the possibility
to prediction,
then again what's
the point of
talking ? if
there is some common ground, making at least some prediction possible,
then what is it ?
mp_en_viaje: "he fucked my 3yo daughter with a barbed metal pole, here are
the bloody remains", for instance. you'll ignore ~everything~, "he's always been paying rent on
time so i really don't care about
the corspes" ?
mp_en_viaje: consider
the other aspect of
the matter. what, if anything, can color your notion of someone, besides your own experience ?
mp_en_viaje: so
the answer will probably have
to carve itself a space within
these
two wires. now, how exactly, is what we're
talking about.
mp_en_viaje: conversely, you also can't ask me
to
talk
to people i don't want
to
talk
to, i'm not a public woman.
mp_en_viaje: and no "fuck it, just keep it" ain't much of an answer, because if nothing else
this provides
the most perverse incentive imaginable.
mp_en_viaje: ie, i'm not asking you
to
tell me what you
think i should
think about mike_c ; i established
that for myself, and stated it for your information back in 2018. i am however asking you
to
tell me what you
think my
thoughts on mike_c should do
to, eg, coin he
thinks i owe him.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 20:04:01 lobbes:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955551 << I keep coming back
to
this point.
The meaning of any rating is something
that each individual must weigh for
themselves, isn't it? Could
there be a 'blanket' upfront decision as such? (Very possible I'm just not picking up
the nuance, however)
mp_en_viaje: there's at
the very least some basis for
this, such as a "is user entirely harmless or potentially harmful". user eminently harmful on pizarro, couldn't afford luxury
to ignore negrates for instance.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 15:51:48 mp_en_viaje: now, more's
the point, what
the fuck are you planning
to do such
that you
think you should be negrated for it, and why
the fuck would you.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:56:46 diana_coman: BingoBoingo: my main
trouble is not at all with
the payment, in principle, but mainly with
the notion of a single, clear meaning for "negrated",
to start with.
mp_en_viaje: it doesn't have
to be anything in particular, nor any specific
thing. but it must be ~something~.
mp_en_viaje: getting back
to
the whole "among
they
themselves" :
the classical form of
the sq in extremis was something along
the lines of consules darent operam ne quid detrimenti res publica caperet ; videant consules ne res publica detrimenti capiat. let
those guys in charge of
things make sure
the public shit dun get burned.
there's gotta be some commonality for a republic
to exist in
the first place.
mp_en_viaje: it's all
the heart and soul of
the rational process.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:19:10 diana_coman: I have
to admit
that I can't quite see a way one would go exactly about making a decision based on a case argued on
this sort of
thing but
then again, it would be
the first so I don't find it all
that surprising
that it's not clear upfront, ofc.
jfw: though
tbh,
the reasons also included following
the pattern of other distributions.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 14:28:53
trinque: I skipped it in cuntoo as well, for equally bad reasons.
jfw:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955376 -
to make my reasons for inclusion by reference rather
than importing
trees explicit, even if bad: on my own I was certainly in no position
to pay
the maintenance debts of all
those projects, so I wanted some separation between my own work and
them. As I see it now,
the
trouble is
this doesn't actually solve anything if you still have
to use
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 14:05:58
trinque: suppose someone's going
to kill you for losing
their 1000btc with
this
thing. What
then about "not keeping up with
the rat race"?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:06:35 diana_coman:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955541 - I have
to admit
that I rather considered
this sort of situations
to be more a matter between
the people directly involved and as such it didn't seem
to me
that
there was a need for some sort of upfront decision.
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955551 << i don't
think
this view is sound, because it essentially destroys
the possibility of a republic.
the
term literally denotes "things held in common". whether
these are women, sacks of grain, ships, itineraries or ideas can be mixed and matched ; but
that SOMETHING will be held in common, and
thus not "between
the people
themselves" is
the quintessential prerequisite of a republic, and in genera
mp_en_viaje: in other news,
tukey internet is kinda iffy. if i blink nobody panic.
jfw: trinque: one approach is if money flows and wants patching support,
to sell subscriptions covering some defined set of
things. Do such clients exist? I don't know but seems like
these
tend
to be large corps already in submission
to USG and can just as well buy RedHat
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 11:31:00 BingoBoingo: !Qlater
tell mike_c
This is a high risk case, and it presents an especially high danger for anyone arguing it on your behalf. My greatest asset is my WoT position, and should I argue your case and recover
the coin...
The argument
that will have won your coin will present a risk
to my WoT position if it is later found
to be bad precedent.
jfw: "minimal possible bootable" seems a slippery goal, you could
trim down
to barely any OS at all. But
then some pesky user comes along and wants graphics, and
TCP, and
to run on recent iron and
then what.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 14:05:02
trinque: "While I have striven
to make prudent and security-conscious choices, I am not attempting
to keep up with
the "penetrate and patch" rat-race in its many
third-party components." <<
This is somewhat concerning, in
that you say "eh" about
the "many
third-party components". I'd instead
try for
the minimal possible bootable src surface area.
jfw: trinque:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955361 - I don't disagree on either point really, but not sure what anyone can realistically say about
the current software mess beyond 'eh'. Minimizing or moreover replacing socialistware with sane
things is
the long
term approach, but meanwhile one still needs
things
to work. I'm curious
to see what you're cooking for sure.
jfw: After
their hack / loss and change of ownership,
they downsized
to 3-4 people, none of whom could really maintain
the redeployed systems. So I ended up doing some part-time for
them in 2016.
This was short-lived: I found
their priorities entirely out of whack, it looked like
they were headed for nothing but more
trouble, and
they didn't listen
to me on much of anything.
The pretense pump I reckon.
jfw: That'd be my
template for a more conservative startup I suppose. When I moved
to Panama (late 2013) and met dorion, he had recently started an entry-level position at Coinapult, which was running on Wall St. financing. I met some of
them, at one point inquired about a job but was declined.
jfw: No fancy office
there, many worked from home. 'Excel shop' like all of 'em of course.
jfw: my first and longest 'real' job was with an IT consulting shop, started in 2000 amid
the dotcom rubble by some IBM mainframe & Linux people;
they self-bootstrapped starting from existing relationships and had reached maybe 15 people when I started in 2007. I did mainly internal sysadmin work.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo:
The operation succeeded.
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of juliankunkel from 2
to 1 << busy being a CS lecturer at Reading Uni.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-19 18:54:36 deedbot: dorion rated dorion_road 1 << my key for
the road, 201911-202001
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of alex__c from 1
to -2 << chose
to do nothing with all
the
time in
the world.
deedbot: jfw rated jfw_travel 2 << Me, on
the road.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:06:35 diana_coman:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955541 - I have
to admit
that I rather considered
this sort of situations
to be more a matter between
the people directly involved and as such it didn't seem
to me
that
there was a need for some sort of upfront decision.
lobbes:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955551 << I keep coming back
to
this point.
The meaning of any rating is something
that each individual must weigh for
themselves, isn't it? Could
there be a 'blanket' upfront decision as such? (Very possible I'm just not picking up
the nuance, however)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:55 mp_en_viaje: i get we're basically getting scammed by
the duplicitous nature of
the lazy, and will be, forever. cuz
that's how
the world goes,
that's how laziness survives as a survival mechanism in
the first place. but i'd much rather we understand each other on
the
topic,
than it just proceed on my authority and
then whatever,
ten years later it'll be "mp just shouldn't have paid all
these asshats" or who
the fuck knows what
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:53 mp_en_viaje: so... i
think it's high
time we have a conversation about it, and a l1 consultus on
the
topic, and so forth. what, exactly, is
the negrated
to get from
the republic ? and why ? and wherefore ?
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: my main
trouble is not at all with
the payment, in principle, but mainly with
the notion of a single, clear meaning for "negrated",
to start with.
BingoBoingo: I don't even see loss of citizenship and
therefore rights as an extreme meaning of a negrating, especially at -10.
That's more of a -1, -2
diana_coman: I suppose not even
the extreme actually, no, hm.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:53 mp_en_viaje: so... i
think it's high
time we have a conversation about it, and a l1 consultus on
the
topic, and so forth. what, exactly, is
the negrated
to get from
the republic ? and why ? and wherefore ?
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: In mike_c's case, I am very confident I can make
the case
that gets his coin back.
The argument is grounded in Republican doctrine as I understand it, proceeds from cause, does not import Pantsuitisms, and is incredibly removed from
the late ROTA's derpitude.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:17 mp_en_viaje: however i'm also getting prety sick of all
this self-uppity cuntery whereby douche "gets upset" at mpex/republic/the world. as if
there even CAN BE such a
thing as "upset at
the
totality of existence".
BingoBoingo: I can't explain
the proposal or
the strategy in plaintext unless it is accepted by
the one requiring an advocate in
the forum.
diana_coman: I have
to admit
that I can't quite see a way one would go exactly about making a decision based on a case argued on
this sort of
thing but
then again, it would be
the first so I don't find it all
that surprising
that it's not clear upfront, ofc.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: I can see at least from one angle how&why you'd structure
the proposal precisely as you did; at any rate
though, it's your proposal and your consideration of
the issue so if
the exact reasoning behind it is
to be explained, it will be explained by you, surely.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Ah, I
thought maybe you were
taking
the infuriating nature of
the
things encountered during
the research as informative of
the price/shape of my proposal.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: I get
the impression
there's some parallel
talking here, lol; I wasn't linking my "infuriating" with your proposal, lolz.
diana_coman: having refreshed my memory with
the concrete dates and multiple missed questions/enquiries has been
tending
towards very infuriating indeed.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: It's a nuanced
thing.
There is very good reason
the proposal I put in channel is structured *exactly*
the way it is.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-16 05:36:02 spyked: !Qlater
tell dorion_road in UEFI study/review news, I'm behind with all my
tasks on
the subject. I'm slowly getting back on
track
this week, aiming
to have a report published by monday
the 23rd
BingoBoingo: There are good arguments for paying sleepers who slept
their way into negratings, but... I am anti-inclined
to give
them away for free.
BingoBoingo very curious about
the prices other members of
the Lordship list will offer... If any have
the appetite at all for
taking on
the substantial downside risk of winning...
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:53 mp_en_viaje: so... i
think it's high
time we have a conversation about it, and a l1 consultus on
the
topic, and so forth. what, exactly, is
the negrated
to get from
the republic ? and why ? and wherefore ?
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo:
The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater
tell mike_c Since
the discussion appears ready
to happen sooner rather than later I give you
the option of sending 35BTC
to 15eVXAW7k8uKc5moDFUSc9Y3jmHFAenNXo as a retainer. As it is 2019 I'll assume 35 BTC arriving at
the address is yours and not someone else's misfire.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo:
The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater
tell mike_c I am willing
to argue your case. Without your providing more details
the cost structure is as follows: 35 BTC up front, 10 BTC
to be refunded if my argument on your behalf loses.
The best way for you
to start negotiating
this price downward is starting a conversation about
the case in #agriculturalsupremacy
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo:
The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater
tell mike_c
This is a high risk case, and it presents an especially high danger for anyone arguing it on your behalf. My greatest asset is my WoT position, and should I argue your case and recover
the coin...
The argument
that will have won your coin will present a risk
to my WoT position if it is later found
to be bad precedent.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo:
The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater
tell mike_c Your are cordially invited
to GPGgram details of your situation
to me or come into #agriculturalsupremacy and get me up
to speed on your situation in a logged channel.
lobbes has acknowledged
the need for mulling; will also mull
mp_en_viaje: an' i shall gladly read
the positions of everyone as published in
the meanwhile.