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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478856 << this is actually a pretty good point innit. ☝︎
asciilifeform: this puts them behind sov state of the art.
mircea_popescu: so for some reason, argentina envelopes don't have any glue. so they fucking staple them shut.
asciilifeform: re: earlier thread, am i the only one who is slightly astonished that scientology does not yet - afaik - have own altcoin ?
asciilifeform: 'The encryption does not include an identity authentication scheme. This BIP does not cover a proposal to avoid MITM attacks during the encryption initialization.' << lel wastin' our time.
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 7825107835 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'ich_der_paul@web.de <ich_der_paul@web.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0EC2595B3A73D6A0E4E6FADA533889C908187FAF397A6D09DB6E0748891CB69D
trinque: how bout the valley is the shenzen of useless apps and ponzis ☟︎
asciilifeform: granted i have nfi what is or is not 'small cost' to phf.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> state of wv has some (nominally) unencumbered land, but you will need tracked vehicle to get to it. << This is problem why? Tracked vehicle seems like small cost.
phf: while at it, let's also mention that pilot's self clearing book has some handy nlp's style exercises, and will give you a general idea as to what sci core training is about (sealing the deal on the whole suppresive thing)
asciilifeform: or is it simply that 'civilized society' is so loathesome that ANY alternative is welcome.
phf: i think there are different levels and roles within the system, but i know for a fact that sci people are effective at bureaucrat, there's a number of them at capitol hill, doing internships with senators... (if we haven't before, t-a is now definitely suppresive) ☟︎
asciilifeform: i admit, i've always been fascinated with the folks who show up to be eaten. what motivates them? is it something like the participants in pyramid scheme ? ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: aha as per yesterday's thread re yudkowsky.
asciilifeform: i can imagine that a modern cult could be built around, e.g., mri machine.
trinque: and if you're nobody, you're there to be worked to death and eaten
asciilifeform: also lulzy is that their cult object is a 1940s-style 'lie detector'
trinque: for someone with the money/power, it's a tax haven. donate cash to scientology and then spend it through the church.
asciilifeform: i am not mega-expert on it, but did at one point (by accident, even) end up in their museum in washington.
asciilifeform: afaik they build narrowly-specialized arse lickers
phf: and if there's one thing that any bureaucratic system craves it's junior ass lickers
phf: and thereone thing any bureaucratic system craves
phf: if judaica is good at producing bankers, then sci is perfect for making junior ass lickers
trinque: they blackmailed usg into giving them tax exempt status
phf: i'm saying "why would they need a nuke"
asciilifeform: a setup like scientology has no particular need to be 'ecologically clean', can work the chumps to exhaustion
asciilifeform: phf: you're thinking of an official state church
phf: why would they need to? their whole set of processes is designed to produce a healthy productive member of society (double positive intention), they are ultimatley aligned with whatever establishment they find themselves in
asciilifeform: it is though.
davout: kind of like saying a farmer's job downside is having to deal with the cows
asciilifeform: : it has to actually deal with the cattle.
asciilifeform: that's the general downside, and not only for churches but any other org that runs on cattle money.
davout: on the downside they have tom cruise
asciilifeform: it wouldn't surprise me if they had a nuke.
asciilifeform: afaik: 0 usg raids to date. 0 tax paid. 0 problemz.
trinque: now there's a success story... scientology
asciilifeform: afaik state of the art is 'church-mafia hybrid' model, e.g., scientology
asciilifeform: (see the case of, e.g., peyote church, or davidians, or...)
asciilifeform: but unless your 'church' is actually popular, or politically inoffensive, it tends to have problems.
phf: ha, they are registered as a church
asciilifeform: l0l orlov goes to that one iirc.
phf: for example, i'm going to http://www.4qf.org coming weekend. place throws all kinds of insane parties (used to have the best east coast psy trance party before organizers moved elsewhere), but they presumably do that in addition to their default offering of what looks like "earth mother gaia healing" nonsense
phf: perhaps i could apprentice at one of those operations first
phf: well, there are places on the east coast that get away with all kinds of things, between waivers, a legitimate cause, friendly neighboors, landscape, etc.
asciilifeform: (possibly i dreamed this)
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu once said that even he still owned something in usa, and can't even be arsed to liquidate
asciilifeform: if you're rich enough that parcel of land being confiscated is no big deal, like a pocket knife stolen by inspectors at airport - go, buy.
asciilifeform: wv is only really a solution if you're buying the lands to go there alone and shoot yer kalash at trees
phf: yeah, there were a few options, but too far of a drive from philadelphia. now that i'm in dc, i might take a stab at wv ☟︎
phf: oh, you want to have a welding shop on your property, that's forms a,b,c,d and auxilary form e. naturally there will be inspection
asciilifeform: state of wv has some (nominally) unencumbered land, but you will need tracked vehicle to get to it.
phf: as soon as the neighboor sees a naked girl, complains to authorities
phf: i was looking into buying land in Pennsylvania for the purposes of turning it into a kind of hippie retreat, kesey's "La Honda" style, and the amount of hoops you need to jump through in order to arrive at a cookie cutter american suburbs solution (and nothing else possible) is insane
asciilifeform: (e.g., even outlaw bandit pays u.s. sales tax if he ever buys from a shop)
asciilifeform: income, sales, land, building permits, 1,001 taxes
phf: but you can't take a piss without paperwork, cop and social worker
phf: if only form of mandatory participation was income tax u.s. would be not a bad place to live
asciilifeform: ... or simply too orcish to mechanize collection ?
asciilifeform: no income tax in india ?
phf: in u.s. in contrast every strata of population is mandated to participate in some form of social program that ultimately monetizes, "creates jobs", etc.
asciilifeform: (as described in mega-b00k 'mind of the south')
phf: well, it's something that struck me when i went to india, how poor there are mostly left the fuck alone. can live in a fishermen village, fish, make few rupies doing chores for tourists
asciilifeform: yyeaaaah who needs healthy serfs and for what!111 why not instead have this thick portfolio of leveraged paperola.
phf: perhaps when there was less leverage, it made sense to apply whipping enough to men, now you need not bother, have all kinds of tools ☟︎
asciilifeform: which is why 'hunchback straightens in the grave' (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478846 << defect in man that could be 'fixed by whipping enough' is effectively permanent. just like, e.g., a defective cpu, might be hypothetically fixable with an ion beam machine, but NOBODY would ever even think of bothering. ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: "Nortek, a building products manufacturer based in Providence, Rhode Island" << Why does China need them even with a bribe?
phf: https://i.sli.mg/FSZWtA.jpg << that's the best one
phf: hah, that vietnam thing is awesome, but also makes sense. asians love their bikini girls, arabs "only the best" money not an issue fucks
mircea_popescu: and tom cruise is short enough.
asciilifeform: dunno about that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no such thing as an ugly male.
mircea_popescu: phf some derpy article re how vietnam airlines has bikini uniform and THIS is why the woman running it is making 1bn off the ipo.
mircea_popescu: (which incidentally is an absolute bar to any "woe me im poor". bitch, takes six months to learn how to dance passibly, after which you do the cruise circuit.)
asciilifeform: (i assume everyone knows that one)
phf: mircea_popescu: i missed the vietnam reference
asciilifeform: like the familiar statistician and his bomb.
mircea_popescu: pretty boys willing to fuck old women on cruises can charge even more.
asciilifeform: if you think about it, she pretty much has to charge x < ($usual_earth_fee + $cost_of_flight), or gurlz who aren't working as stewardesses could compete
mircea_popescu: phf competing with teh vietnam one huh.
phf: asciilifeform: that's a specialty service though, girl wouldn't be able to make as much on the ground
shinohai: mircea_popescu would tremble at the sight of the "$40 specials" crowd on backpage.
asciilifeform: '... the unnamed stewardess had made more than $1 million (Dh3.7 million) over two years. The papers, citing airline sources, said the passenger admitted that she seduced him into the lavatory for $2,000 (Dh7,400).' << either disinfo or mircea_popescu was wrong re 'no whore costs >500'
phf: given their stewardesses, that sounds like emirates ad
shinohai: Sounds like an entrepreneur to me, helping folks join mile-high club.
mircea_popescu: overton window problem. it's one thing to repudiate junk when purported to come from person ; it's another thing to repudiate junk when purported to come from known garbage dweller.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has good point but i am still hard-pressed to see a difference between postin unsigned rubbish to one place vs another, in respect to confession.gif strictly
mircea_popescu: but certainly god fucking help the harem where I ACCEPT THAT.
asciilifeform: i.e. heavy and won't help if they get the drop on you etc
mircea_popescu: god fucking help the slavegirl that says "oh, beating me's not worth it, i'll do the bad anyway"
mircea_popescu: which is exactly how the state works : by getting the males castrated, which is to say saying this, exactly.
mircea_popescu: notrly. the concern is that the jwz is easily discouraged, and rather than take reasonable steps, he takes no steps, "because it's not worth it anyway"
asciilifeform: hey i expect pastes to last a few hrs at most anyway
mircea_popescu: i also can't mathematicaly prove that "no more bugs will get in", nor is this a consideration when i fumigate.
asciilifeform: hitler can as easily emplace confession.gif there as on shitgur.
mircea_popescu: sure, sure. neither of these are compatible with "twitter deleted my tweets".
mircea_popescu: but at least you control the domain and server.
asciilifeform: or at all practical to sign.
mircea_popescu: so what's this fallacy called then, i forget ? "classification fallacy" ?
mircea_popescu: and a platonician will protest that "they're all the same kind" and you'll say "no i can subdivide them as i like". sure you can, but it's not necessarily meaningful. depends what you aim to do with the classes.