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mircea_popescu: now that's a good fucking point, jesus it took a while to get to one.
mircea_popescu: stood and there are numerous tracing tools and language bindings for it. This is very much unlike the usual homegrown protocols the various classic UNIX daemons use to communicate locally.
mircea_popescu: Myth: systemd's use of D-Bus instead of sockets makes it intransparent. This claim is already contradictory in itself: D-Bus uses sockets as transport, too. Hence whenever D-Bus is used to send something around, a socket is used for that too. D-Bus is mostly a standardized serialization of messages to send over these sockets. If anything this makes it more transparent, since this serialization is well documented, under
mircea_popescu: For example, systems running systemd now generally store their hostname in /etc/hostname, something that used to be specific to Debian and now is used across distributions. << holy hell that took half a century.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what are you so fixated on that anyway. what's it do for you ?
mircea_popescu: "We regularly attend various conferences, to collect feedback, to explain what we are doing and why, like few others do." << intereskin.
mircea_popescu: lol "No, it can't read mail...yet". a sense o' humor never hurt anyone.
mircea_popescu: i'll take a bet you're not the only guy here that ever used the things, for any value of things tho.
mircea_popescu: this is kind-of bizarre. so, ok, syslogd gets whatever systemd feels like passing along. why is this useful and to whom
mircea_popescu: Myth: systemd makes it impossible to run syslog. >> Not true, we carefully made sure when we introduced the journal that all data is also passed on to any syslog daemon running. In fact, if something changed, then only that syslog gets more complete data now than it got before, since we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any system service.
mircea_popescu: nah, it's not gonna be over for a while yet. it has... well not so much traction, but plenty o' support.
mircea_popescu: 19. Myth: systemd forces you to do something. systemd is not the mafia. It's Free Software, you can do with it whatever you want, and that includes not using it. That's pretty much the opposite of "forcing". << lol ok, that's about the most disingenuous thing i read today. you know what else is free software ? BITCOIN!!!
mircea_popescu: tyvm but i don't enjoy listening to liars that are THAT BAD at it.
mircea_popescu: then he answers complexity and bloat by claiming... it's monolithic.
mircea_popescu: i mean, he defends against "monolithic" on the grounds of the binary file being split into 69 separate bits. mkay.
mircea_popescu: but srsly, it's easier to understand "For most people" ? like easier than what, like easier than it was for that stupid broad whatever her name was to understand that claiming "fake" on a bunch of pics showing her dressed with her tongue sticking out ain't gonna work ?
mircea_popescu: and declarative by nature. That all said, if you are experienced in shell, then yes, adopting systemd will take a bit of learning."
mircea_popescu: "systemd certainly comes with a learning curve. Everything does. However, we like to believe that it is actually simpler to understand systemd than a Shell-based boot for most people. Surprised we say that? Well, as it turns out, Shell is not a pretty language to learn, it's syntax is arcane and complex. systemd unit files are substantially easier to understand, they do not expose a programming language, but are simple
mircea_popescu: Yes, systemd is fast (A pretty complete userspace boot-up in ~900ms, anyone?) << yeah ? since I dunno, 1995 ? i've always took the system apart if it needed more than a second.
mircea_popescu: "we designed systemd with security in mind" << by now this is pretty much usable as-is, might as well be a protein binding site for pathogens.
mircea_popescu: it's clearly being pushed, and that will make people with a working head suspicious these days.
mircea_popescu: pankkake and in spite of the technical angle, what stinks to high heavens to me is the political angle. so gnome decides to not be dependent on systemd in 2012, then in 2013 they make it a de-facto dependency. because... heh. because why ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake but listen, openrc isn't trying to take over my computer.
mircea_popescu: if the computer is the shirt, and initd is a tie and systemd is a bowtie, me saying that it's not as easy to hang someone by his bowtie is not answered by your proposition that ties can get stained too. sure, they can, but we were discussing hanging not disembowelment.
mircea_popescu: pankkake complicated/simple is orthogonal to scripted/binary.
mircea_popescu: chetty apparently you zip it with your left hand in cupping your bits lol
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone seen these wonderful girl pants with a proper zipper ? going from the front all around to two inches over her tailbone ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake you know i don't got a call on the topic. so they're complicated, yes. no argument there.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the mps of 2010 wave at you, oh their unknown interlocutor from across the seas.
mircea_popescu: putting a bunch of binaries with a bunch of dependency hell in the core of the system init process isn't technical ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake you gonna tell me what the systemd butthurt was all about or just gonna rage silently and then come stab me 119 times in the middle of the night FOR NO FAULT OF MY OWN ?
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol that's an underutilized resource if there was one. the kid is bright.
mircea_popescu: Azelphur have you tried asking them if they're gonna give you stock options ? :D
mircea_popescu: think for a second. it's a business, right ? it pays for your ticket to come over, that's a job interview.
mircea_popescu: and they got really excited with you, and paid for your trip over
mircea_popescu: nono, i mean, you going to work for this owncloud thing
mircea_popescu: nowadays it's just about to tip over into sanity. well done scheneir, you win a trip to suck my cock :D
mircea_popescu: "Anything ECC is currently highly suspicious, not in the least because the math is complex." <<< ah i'm so flattered. so a year or two ago, schneier and the "consensus" i nthe community was that rsa bad, ecc good ; mp was exactly on the other position.
mircea_popescu: "As for the algorithms themselves, the math, many like DSA are actually overtly designed by the NSA, so you can be sure they know how to break them, or they wouldn’t offer them. Others are probably expensive but crackable in high-interest cases (we’re talking quantum computers at their disposal). For anything super-critical I think a one-time pad is the only guarantee, and make sure your RNG works!"
mircea_popescu: stuff like that'd be so much better explicitly stated...
mircea_popescu: to, despite the mock choice publicized to users – there was never any option."
mircea_popescu: ered-down encryption (to use stronger encryption in many areas, such as AES-loop, you needed to compile your own kernel and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers they put in place to the use of genuinely strong encryption). This told me then that those who controlled distributions were deeply in the pockets of intelligence networks. So it comes as no surprise to me that they jumped on board systemd when told
mircea_popescu: "From the start, my revelations on this blog about Red Hat’s deep control of Linux, along with their large corporate/government connections, hasn’t been just about spying, but about losing the distributed engineering quality of Linux, with Red Hat centralizing control. Yet as an ex-cypherpunk and crypto software developer, as soon as I started using Linux years ago, I noted that all the major distributions used wat
mircea_popescu: yeah, but most of them are fortunate enough to be poor, and lucky enough to live in countries that aren't built like the inside of a cattle ranch.
mircea_popescu: i blame the dumbass us consumers, but hey, what difference does it make.
mircea_popescu: decimation: after all, wouldn't you like to tie your boot process with opaque silicon? << you, of course not. the silicon marketeers, of course yes. the great tablet experiment has everyone salivating.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know last time someone did this they ended up having to put coinz in the hat.
mircea_popescu: o look, there's an entire systemd discussion in teh log.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: !up tatinportland << i read this as "tart in poland" first.
mircea_popescu: X-Rob: I consider myself vindicated << lol didn't even take that much!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, the chinese 'wot' is their... genealogical tree. and i'm not certain that they'd see out wot as other than noise even were they to get out of that stage. (and why ought they) <<< this seems akin to saying poles are stupid, to me.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole dram seems to me ts'o and mebbe torvalds hating on sievers and maybe poettering.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, systemd is what, the pulseaudio guy and this guy, right ?