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nubbins`: i'm still glad i bought a roll of those rare 0.5oz casascius silvers

nubbins`: makes a nice "ding" when you toss it with your thumb

nubbins`: i'm a big fan of silver

nubbins`: if you give him a microphone, he may beat it against a table

mircea_popescu: little has changed in a year obviously.

nubbins`: "DON'T buy a parrot figuring that it will be a fun surprise for me. To acquire a parrot is a major decision: it is likely to outlive you. If you don't know how to treat the parrot, it could be emotionally scarred and spend many decades feeling frightened and unhappy. If you buy a captured wild parrot, you will promote a cruel and devastating practice, and the parrot will be emotionally scarred befo

nubbins`: "If you can find a host for me that has a friendly parrot, I will be very very glad. If you can find someone who has a friendly parrot I can visit with, that will be nice too."

nubbins`: that's inconvenient for everyone. i think we've got a winner

ThickAsThieves: however, neobee will likely appeal a bit more to euros

nubbins`: it's your IPO, pick a time that suits you

chaang-noi: kako im just glad its not down cuz a us raid or something, they are picking up a lot of the gox volume

nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: that's a reasonable compromise

mircea_popescu: the op takes it as a signal to give the couch audition,

nubbins`: that's a safe way to do it

nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: put another way, if you were scheduling a meeting, what time would you schedule it for?

ThickAsThieves: well there are a lot of hours during business time

mircea_popescu: that's a very good point.

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mircea_popescu: well, it's a novelty item, but not fundamentally useful.

mircea_popescu: wasting the time of restaurant owners with trying to handle in-store btc payments as if those have a future opr even make sense

nubbins`: so essentially, accepting btc at pos is a useless beat-off

mircea_popescu: i think it's the fundamental cluelessness of people missing this obvcious poitn that has everyone trying to push bitcoin on any and all, as if that's a good idea

mircea_popescu: you don't OWN a nuclear warhead.

nubbins`: buy a good coffee shop and ONLY accept btc

nubbins`: i roasted coffee off and on for a couple of years, and starbucks roasts are shit

ThickAsThieves: just buy a starbucks gyftcard and move on

nubbins`: it would only be a way for current btc holders to divest themselves of their BTC

mircea_popescu: bittab is actually not a bad name

mircea_popescu: in), you will probably cash into whatever local currency from Bitcoin (be it Unified Standard Dubaloos or Universally Simplified Dosidoes or whatever else) but all that is entirely different a story.

mircea_popescu: For the reasons noted and for many other reasons I am pretty much satisfied that Bitcoin is not nor will it ever be a direct means of payment for retail anything. You may end up paying for a month’s worth of coffee vouchers at your favourite coffee shop via Bitcoin (so shop scrip built on top of Bitcoin), you may end up settling your accounts monthly at the restaurant in Bitcoin (so store credit built on top of Bitco

ThickAsThieves: this is worse than a credit card?

nubbins`: by typing your un/pw into a random computer?>

ThickAsThieves: cept you login with a magnet

ThickAsThieves: not much diff than a credit card really

ThickAsThieves: have a blockchain.info account that has spending money in it

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves a brain is a terrible thing to spend.

ThickAsThieves: have a kiosk at each register

nubbins`: just as simple as scanning a barcode on the product you're purchasing

jurov: POS will be operated by a payment processor which can issue you code in case vendor has no connection

nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: it's admittedly a poor payment choice for any in-person transaction

ThickAsThieves: so a dead idea

nubbins`: it's a lot to ask, i know

nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: so carry a phone with a couple of QR codes loaded into the camera roll

kakobrekla: its not a big deal in 2013

nubbins`: if only you had a throwaway address with some BTC

nubbins`: you can't get a net connection

kakobrekla: id took out a device, enter sum and show them qr code which contains signed tx

nubbins`: but let's say that you want to spend btc at a store

nubbins`: sure, it requires the purchaser to perform a modicum of work before they go shopping

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla atms are designed to work offline on a reconciliatory basis, it's a complex thing

nubbins`: or the purchaser could just generate a ton of throwaway addresses, load each with some BTC, and hand over a private key whenever he makes a purchase

mircea_popescu: well ccs aren;t exactly a paragon of security.

nubbins`: a five-dollar bill is a private key

kakobrekla: private keys are called private for a reason

nubbins`: it's running a mixture of osx, linux, and windows

mircea_popescu: sent you a mail, look.

nubbins`: a likely response would be "why did you plug a strange device into your computer, you fucking asshole?"

nubbins`: if you work in an office, tell the help desk that you plugged a usb stick into your computer and now it's acting strangely

nubbins`: plugging a trezor into a computer = plugging a keyboard/mouse into a computer

mircea_popescu: be it a stick, the net card or some hid, a data feed is a data feed.

nubbins`: i.e. your computer recognizes it as a fucking KEYBOARD

nubbins`: it's a HID device

mircea_popescu: it's a bad analogy.

nubbins`: but your chances of getting a disease are WAY higher if you get a tattoo on your ass that says "open for business"

mircea_popescu: your concern however comes while you've got a number of dicks down your throat already

nubbins`: sure, you might get a disease just from walking around in public

nubbins`: letting someone plug a device into your computer is the same as letting someone stick their dick in you without a condom

nubbins`: tremor provides a bridge for a foreign army to walk over

nubbins`: it boggles me that you think plugging in a strange USB device is no more dangerous than being connected to the internet

mircea_popescu: eh a usb stick i mean not a hotwallet.

mircea_popescu: it boggles me that you think plugging in a hotwallet is substantially different from plugging in a net card.

nubbins`: in a perfect world, yes

nubbins`: and now you've plugged a strange USB device into a machine with a hotwallet

nubbins`: if i mail you a USB stick, will you plug it into a machine that holds all your private keys?

mircea_popescu: every good whore handles a lot of money, so what of it ?

nubbins`: kakobrekla: if you were a vendor, and you accepted BTC, why the FUCK would you let people plug foreign USB devices into your POS?

nubbins`: or you could just print a sheet of QR codes on paper

thestringpuller: nubbins`: would yo have a qr code for private key, then qr code for public?

nubbins`: hell, you could make a low-cost e-ink device that you can load with QR codes

kakobrekla: you mean a turkish boy

mircea_popescu: jurov or buy a turkish girl that makes coffee

jurov: or buy a coffee machine now... preferably with asic heater :D

kakobrekla: just wait a few years

Scrat: nubbins`: giving a privkey is the same as sending a tx when it comes to double spending

kakobrekla: then they should use a well connected 3rd party

nubbins`: "Bob visits his first store and purchases a pair of sunglasses for 0.15 BTC. He provides the cashier with a QR code for 0.2 BTC, which is swept; he then provides the QR code for his change address, to which the cashier sends his change, 0.05 BTC."

nubbins`: or you can just hand them a private key and walk away

kakobrekla: are you gonna doble spend a coffee worth ?

nubbins`: well, currently, you walk into a cafe and they say "wanna pay with bitcoin? send your BTC to this address!"

nubbins`: they scan it with a webcam

mircea_popescu: a url is a qr code.

nubbins`: nothing wrong, but why not just show them a QR code?

mircea_popescu: what is wrong with going there with a blockchain wallet loaded with the exact sum and giving them the url ?

nubbins`: you then provide them a public address for them to send your change to

nubbins`: mircea_popescu: essentially, the only sensible way to conduct a face-to-face transaction is to hand the vendor a private key, which they sweep

mircea_popescu: props to you for writing it in forum prose, which is a good thing.

nubbins`: so in this example, we have a retard buying 4000 shares

nubbins`: i'd consider that a case of facilitating retards giving money to other retards

mircea_popescu: you may trade with a retard, you may not give him money.