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mircea_popescu: but it was a little unfriendly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the soviets had a recipe for warm concrete floor
asciilifeform: mix, pour, warm concrete floor and a wireless AP for the backhaul.
mircea_popescu: and within a day i have working asic floor tile
mircea_popescu: we don't have a very good model to map hash to transistor count yet.
mircea_popescu: in a year 2x as good tiles will be sold also at 500 also on a 5 year promise
asciilifeform: anyone up for a solar cell / asic combo?
mircea_popescu: or have high tech heating doing 99.5% efficiency and 38 to 72% money back over a year, at 500 dollars per unit"
asciilifeform: anyone feel like calculating the minimal energy cost of fabbing an asic? use a single die's worth of Si 'enthalpy of fusion' as the irreducible cost.
asciilifeform: so, end result is something like: you can buy a BTC water heater that puts out 1% of the joules put in as rf, and it buys you a lottery ticket a day.
asciilifeform: buy a radio scanner (the $20 http://www.rtlsdr.org will do) and see how astoundingly 'rf-screaming' modern digital logic is.
asciilifeform: anyone got a 'bomb calorimeter' and a few btc asics?
mircea_popescu: well less so, but it ain't a resistor in any sense either so.
mircea_popescu: a lightbulb even is mostly a heater rather than a rf source.
asciilifeform: one little tidbit: vs. a resistance heater, a BTC heater will piss out considerably more energy as RF.
asciilifeform: actually the turbo on every 486 i've owned just turned off the cpu cache. the little LED freq. display was a lie.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you could simply have a thermostat cycle power, a la traditional resistance heaters.
asciilifeform: sort of how we don't have prison inmates turning generators. thermo says it's a loss, so it's a loss.
asciilifeform: still seems to be like cranking out ASIC water heaters will be a net thermodynamic loss at some point not too far off. and a thermodynamic loss can't be decoupled from financial loss forever
Apocalyptic: it used to be profitable in France, cause local power co was forced to buy back at a crazy rate by law
mircea_popescu: basically, they're a prototype.
benkay: in that someone rounded up a pile of capital to build absolutely sufficient boards and are now going to sell those boards as heaters to building builders and renovators, recouping their capital by capturing the coins so generated
asciilifeform: the argument i was trying to make is that mining needs a certain minimal return for it to make sense even as a space heater replacement.
mircea_popescu: it's true that fabing has a significant upfront cost, but at stake is not an improvement in energy efficiency,
mircea_popescu: this is a flawed argument.
asciilifeform: and by the time we get the ASIC water heater, it will yield - what - a satoshi a day?
dub: just a alot of idiots donating heavily to their own education
dub: milk was always a scam
asciilifeform: scam in the sense of being a 'race to the bottom'
dub: mining is a scam now?
asciilifeform: anyone link to a good discussion of how mining itself (unless you're 2 or 3 steps ahead of the plebes' game tech-wise) is a scam?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck does a distributed network need a spokesperson for ? it doesn't. it's the government that needs someone to talk to.
mircea_popescu: if you think about it, a foundation is exactly antithetical to bitcoin.
thestringpuller: it would act a woodchipper
thestringpuller: just steal a bunch of shit
mircea_popescu: it's extremely difficult to evaluate claims of quantum computing in a theoretical sense.
benkay: so if someone who understands how bits flopping back and forth and existing in superposition can be knotted together into a theoretical computation device...
mircea_popescu: and importantly, i'm not aware there's a "quantum computer community"
benkay: i'm hazarding that someone with oodles of resources may have come up with a fast way to factor big integers
benkay: and given that the nsa figured out the fundamentals of rsa before rivest shamir and adelman, i'd bet they have a functional quantum emulator in silicon
benkay: i'm beginning to suspect that all crypto is broken and that this is a distraction a la dropping the dead diver in the water with important papers w/r/t spies to cover up the Enigma cracking circa wwii
jurov: someone else came with a whip and now thestringpuller is butthurt
Namworld: My portfolio tracking code? You used it to showcase your portfolio and found a bitcoiner who totally got horny looking at it?
mircea_popescu: jurov twas a joke.
mircea_popescu: a privilege is a remnant of personal sovereignity recognised and perpetuated by some ulterior power such as some state or other.
mircea_popescu: a privilege is no such thing.
benkay: "A privilege is a special entitlement to immunity granted by the state or another authority to a restricted group, either by birth or on a conditional basis."
mircea_popescu: reeses you got a mic man ?
mircea_popescu: read my poem, win a bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: by the way, if anyone has a mic and a voice : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294373.new#new
mircea_popescu: "omfg girls get into bed with any guy just cause he has a whip"
mircea_popescu: pankkake you just need a few blocks.
asciilifeform: what the devil is a privilege analyst?
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's kinda sad none of the privilege analysts has the endurance. it'd be pretty fun to have one in here to mash into a pulp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just a little thing called evolution.
benkay: maybe in some global market sense, but costs are still a fraction of revenues.
benkay: it's just a labor market disconnect
mircea_popescu: <benkay> seemed to be relatively incompetent except for being able to make friends with moderately-competent humans, put them in a room and let them self-organize into a software development team << herp.
benkay: i eventually lost my cool and said "yeah. you have to manage them. if you have such a tightly limited budget that you can only afford one human and not the additional team bandwidth to train that human, your entire management philosophy is borked."
benkay: except oh no, now he has bus-factor problems. and oh no, now he can't find any more people who already know how to do the work, and oh no, never bothered to implement a training plan
benkay: seemed to be relatively incompetent except for being able to make friends with moderately-competent humans, put them in a room and let them self-organize into a software development team
benkay: I had a conversation with someone recently who was having trouble hiring people.
benkay: "By degrees the anarchy finds a way into private houses, and ends by getting among the animals and infecting them... the father grows accustomed to descend to the level of his sons and to fear them, and the son is on a level with his father, he having no respect or reverence for either of his parents; and this is his freedom, and the metic is equal with the citizen and the citizen with the metic, and
mircea_popescu: hasn';t changed, won't change, nobody gives a shit.
mircea_popescu: than to a random trade press ho about anything at all.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather talk to a random nevada hooker about her love life
mircea_popescu: very peripheral topics these. the mencius fellow still has to man up over a discussion > 1 year old, and some random guy in the trade press...
benkay: i've been on the internet for a while, so everything sounds trolly to me
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Inaba | "inaba" someone who doesn't have a clue about what s/he is talking about, coming from 'inable', 'inability' use their brains before doing something...
asciilifeform: somebody ought to put up a site where idiots are encouraged to submit their private keys for 'blessing.' Betcha there'll be thousands of takers.
jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "is there some way to make a website where people can put in their pgp keys and they get tested for entropy quality/statistical weakness ?" nope, except for few debianlike-pathological cases.
TheSeven: I should probably post a response there myself, with a few more details
Diablo-D3: TheSeven: bfl is already past a year and still accepting orders
TheSeven: "early"... like a year after the anticipated delivery it turned out that they didn't even have a working chip design from what it looks like
Diablo-D3: bfl still hasnt admitted they dont have a product
Diablo-D3: basic atleast admitted they didnt have a product early on and refunded as much as possible
dexX7: thanks, actually this is very valuable. you seem to have quite a good reputation and the general sentiment about lab right now is not very bullsih, phrased carefully.
TheSeven: just to make that clear: From the insight that I have into that project (which isn't really much), I have no reason to believe that it is a scam. It probably also isn't quite as screwed up as bASIC was. But I can't really judge upon whether it will succeed in the long run.
TheSeven: I'm also not involved much with labcoin's first revision chip. I gave some advice to the ASIC engineer, and that's it. I can't tell if the ASIC engineer did a good job otherwise.
TheSeven: I am a technical consultant (mostly on bitcoin-related aspects) to them, and have next to zero insight into their business plans
Neil: Bets of Bitcoin have done sweet f.a. to improve their site in 2 years now
Neil: Rejection reason: Needs a name, "goat" isn't much to go on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is there some way to make a website where people can put in their pgp keys and they get tested for entropy quality/statistical weakness ?
mircea_popescu: not every time i say a name it's bad news you know. sometimes it's positive.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 it's probably a bot trying to do book volume arbing.
dexX7: scroll a few lines higher
ThickAsThieves: does mp have a 'smug' setting?
mircea_popescu: i got a list by now. what do i care.
coconut: poor guy, it's like trying to prop a walrus up with a stick
ThickAsThieves: then mp gets a cookie
mircea_popescu: french canadian is like, "i'm a lumberjack and im oookaaaaayyy"
Namworld: Here's an image of what a good poutine should look like: http://canadatry.fr/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/banquise-poutine.jpeg
ThickAsThieves: Does this mean I don't get a job?
mircea_popescu: "It was a god awful resume. You even gave your last name two different spellings, listed the wrong area code, had your work experience in random order, and had no less than 20 spelling mistakes on the first page."
ThickAsThieves: Namworld is a bird
Namworld: To me all food is a meal.
mircea_popescu: Namworld eh, this is a sweet not a meal.
mircea_popescu: yeah. the us people think it's a us thing
Kleeck: When the prospectus says you don't have a vote, and you're investing in a portion of the profits, STFU.
bobbabad: dexX7, you got a reply from the swede himself https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.msg3150381#msg3150381