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mircea_popescu: that he buries it under 5000 pages doesn't help. much of carroll's... lightiness,
to call faggotry
thus for now, is excused on
the grounds of brevity.
hanbot: well
there's an interesting cleavage. it's probably a stretch but i might suggest
that
tolkein's bit with gollum shares
the sensual/sexual/at any rate internal-and-external, physical change via subjugation of self
that appears in say alice's "eat me" wafers, if
that does anything for you mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: yet
the nigger plays enough womanhood
to qualify
the whole
thing. nuts, huh.
mircea_popescu: mark
twain being
the best example as far as
trouble goes - by "rights" you should add him, and yet he doesn't belong, at all.
phf: hanbot: pretty sure can also add jack london, but not mark
twain
mircea_popescu: (showing
that it's not
the air or water of oxford magically doing it, or somesuch. much like it's not
the ethnic group per se.)
hanbot: <phf> mircea_popescu: what about stevenson, doyle, dumas, kipling,
they also all fall into
that category? << and what of verne & carroll?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-02 16:40 asciilifeform: ^ more or less complete picture of
typical d.c.
train ^
mircea_popescu: literally,
the only point problems start, is when jay goes into shop and wants
to buy an ipad because he
thinks
this is
the only shop and
therefore must be
that apple concept store he's heard about.
mircea_popescu: or for
that matter, woman shouldn't wear pink ? what if she's bonbon blonde ?
mircea_popescu: when i was a child i wore blue, and diana_coman wore pink.
thanks god
they didn't mix up
the colors, lest i'd have grown
tits ?
mircea_popescu: baudelaire,
toulouse-lautrec and five others fucked
the same one whore.
this blessed woman made
toulouse-lautrec a writer, baudelaire a painter, and five others nothing ?
mircea_popescu: i do not say any such
thing. i say he is a competent smith, running as best he can a convenience shop, which for whatever reason is blessed with a wall where every jay and silent bob in
the county is attracted
to rest, and rap, and what
they do.
phf: so is it purely when i became a man, i put
the ways of childhood behind me, or you're saying
there's something specific
to
tolkien
that
turns his fans into castrati?
BingoBoingo: "Murder
the Jungle before Jungle Murders US!!!!"
mircea_popescu: and
then she finished it. and was nonplussed by
the end, much like... everyone ever.
mircea_popescu: she asked me if i ever read it, and i said oh god
that
thing was spooky.
mircea_popescu: re kipling, because
this just came up in mp household : girly read his story, you know
the one.
the spooky one, with
the people in
the pit.
mircea_popescu: phf i couldn't
tell you re stevenson.
the only scott i ever read was shaw. anmd shaw is not in
this.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Well butthurt does
tend
to fade. If it persists longer
than
two weeks
they have
to see a doctor
diana_coman: BingoBoingo,
those people have loads of
things for
that purpose; will move onto something else fast enough
diana_coman: I'll add only
the message
that considered
to be "what
Tolkien had
to say" (even
though he did it
through "not-real-life universe") namely
that all and everyone (yeah,
the ordinary and no,
they are not made anything by gandalf quite pointedly not made anything by him) is in some way responsible /called
to do something when shit hits
the fan;
that is all I guess
☟︎ phf: mircea_popescu: what about stevenson, doyle, dumas, kipling,
they also all fall into
that category?
mircea_popescu: but but whay! it's more cultural
this way! like a play!
BingoBoingo: The people who deep inside wanted another novel
to
take
them away from IRL for a while.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously. In
the interim
the butthurt is a lot of win.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in another
twenty years
they'll catch up with
the "book for practical activities of making puippets and imagining scenes", ie 1970s ro standard
BingoBoingo: My opinion of JK Rowling increased over
the weekend when I learned
that she released
the new Harry Potter story as a printed play. A++
Trolling.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so once its head rolls i'll
take it off.
mircea_popescu: i can understand others can be, and have no beef with it. and i don't necessarily even pity
the situation, a
test's a
test.
mircea_popescu: the reason i don't watch "Star wars" or "sex and
the city" ; nor bother with "lords of
the rings" or "jezebel" is exactly
the same reason i don't go around sex stores
to sniff used condoms and napkins from
the bin in
their video booths, like isabelle huppert's character in
the piano
teacher : i am not quite
that hungry.
diana_coman: hm; so far we established we agree (and apparently
this wasn't in fact disputed although it seemed so)
that
tolkien's writing is not reflecting "real life" nor intended
to really;
this makes it crud in your view I gather
mircea_popescu: this doesn't make crackpots somehow inherit
the empire of proper science,
through
the absenteism of everyhone else.
mircea_popescu: not quite. consider : "what would you call bullshit science ?" "anything
that comes from a grant application".
diana_coman: if it's not "real life" it's not literature, but copywriting; is
this it?
mircea_popescu: look, a woman's still a whore if she gets married
to some loser and keeps doing it.
diana_coman: if it is copywriting hence
the point is
to get paid for
the length, she did better by a wide margin , no?
diana_coman: in
these
terms you would rank harry potter higher
then
diana_coman: uhm, he wasn't; didn't even write it for
that
diana_coman: maybe; guess I need
to revisit bouvard&pecuchet
mircea_popescu: "somewhere in
the
teens". ie, "when i disbecame a child".
mircea_popescu: it's not altogether clear
the anglos even have a "life plan"
that includes anything besides "how
to be mme bovary's husband BUT AVOID
the whole legbox incident & fallout
thereof."
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you familiar with bouvard & pecuchet,
the dicitonary readers ?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless,
tolkien is
therefore part of english CIVILISATION. he is an artefact. he is pointedly NOT part of culture.
diana_coman: but how does
that make him crud I don't get
diana_coman: Tolkien made his universe as a place
to experiment with his language; I can fully see and agree with
the point
that it is "not real life" - I read him very late and
therefore I knew
this already, I never for a second considered it as "real life" or reflection of it or whatever; I guess
that's where
the whole
thing comes from
diana_coman: hm, funnily enough I did love Sadoveanu as a kid but got over it somewhere in
the
teens
mircea_popescu: i even loved him as a kid, and
thought it great fiction. just don't seem
to summon
the interest
these days.
mircea_popescu: what ever happened
to make
tolkien more acceptable
than sadoveanu ?
mircea_popescu: what doth surprise me however, diana_coman , is
that
the allergy i presume in you for
the works of "socialist realism" does not somehow extend
to...
this here OTHER, exactly
the same, socialist realism.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's not
to be surprising. if one day you decide
to pump
the septic
tank into
the house,
the only
things still standing will be still standing because lower density
than
the shit, and so float, not other reason.
mircea_popescu: by now
the only places left outside are left outside because
too dumb
to qualify for anglotardation, such as argentina.
diana_coman: uhm, what is not part? (it was pretty much all
the way from Paris
to Lyon at least)
mircea_popescu: except if you go
to i dunno, farm in normandy or w/e. certainly no paris in paris.
mircea_popescu: france is part and parcel of anglotard world
these days.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu>
this activity, not just "tolkien" but generally "reading", is very much subverted in
the anglotard world. have yo useen
this, whole carloads of white, quiet, mousy people "reading a book" on
their commute <- actually I saw
this in FRANCE
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah obv.
that was back before
the jobs return.
mircea_popescu: phf much like "solo" gets its own section at
the pron store.
phf: i don't
think even
tolkien fans
think of
tolkien as a writer,
that's why him and his brood get own section at a bookstore
mircea_popescu: this activity, not just "tolkien" but generally "reading", is very much subverted in
the anglotard world. have yo useen
this, whole carloads of white, quiet, mousy people "reading a book" on
their commute.
diana_coman: well, fwiw
tolkien as far as I know did NOT consider himself a writer
mircea_popescu: otherwise,
the notion
that
tolkien is a writer is not unlike
the notion
that roger alexander of
the us civil war reenactment society is A CIVIL WAR HERO.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, "there's no errect penis in
tolkien's book" - is
this a correct description of
the main fault you find?
mircea_popescu: just don't go around
thinking / saying
that "there's nothing outside of sin"
diana_coman: keep aspies away from
tolkien you say? so keep
them, whatevs
mircea_popescu: the message isn't don't eat
this it's bad for you. wqhether something is good or bad is no direct relation of whether you should like it or not. if you like it, like it, and if you will sin go sin. come back when you've sinned enough.
BingoBoingo: But everything
to do with
their accesss
to it!
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: It is
the manifestation of
the Obeast's character defects amplified by
their access
to butter.
BingoBoingo: phf: More, don't eat only
this and for
the love of god go out into
the world occasionally and
test it.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, pure and proper obesity is a
thing; if one gorges on butter only without exercising/doing anything/actually cooking with it,
they become morbidly something; how is
that
the fault of butter now
though?
phf: but
the message seems
to be, don't eat
this it's bad for you. BingoBoingo grew up with fat people who don't know how
to cook and only eat at mcdonalds. i grew up with moscows girls who all know how
to cook, and for
them stopping by a mcdonalds for a milkshake was sort of a
thing