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mircea_popescu: so
then, both
the safe and
the ethically required position is "i guess i aren't, let me see
the best i can do"
PeterL: yes, but
the warrant is worth ~same executed or unexecuted. << If
the company pays dividends, wouldn't it be worth more when executed?
mircea_popescu: leaving aside
the MUCH HARDER q of how'd you distinguish self.
mircea_popescu: moreover, it's entirely unclear how you'd go about distinguishing a jet fighter from an airliner when
they're both bipedal lifeforms.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
tis a lot easier
to measure
the engine capacity
than
the metaphisicity. by definition of latter.
thestringpuller: Whereas stock bonus in corporate means "WOuld you like
to voluntarily keep your slave contract going for another few years? If you do
there is
this cheese waiting for you at
the end of
the maze.
The cheeze MAAAY spoil in
the meantime cause
the leadership had a lobotomy in
the 90's but it's okay."
mircea_popescu: yes, but
the warrant is worth ~same executed or unexecuted.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-05 13:54 mircea_popescu:
THIS DOESN'T FUCKING MEAN random dicklet from ohio will be a "successful
trader" for "doing coke off whore's asscrack"
thestringpuller: S.MG stock warrants act exactly as stock bonuses in "corporate" should work, you add value
to
the company. company profits. Execute warrant. Profit.
mircea_popescu: well, more like irl
this is 99% a
tax consideration. nobody's dodging
the republic's
tax anyway, so not much difference.
PeterL: does not make much sense
to execute
them until
the price rises, I suppose
PeterL: shinohai aha, I found
the 8`999.6605 btc,
that is
the
total value
that would be raised by S.MG if all outstanding warrents were executed, not
the amount previously raised
mircea_popescu: THIS DOESN'T FUCKING MEAN random dicklet from ohio will be a "successful
trader" for "doing coke off whore's asscrack"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: also,
the same fucking
thing with
the "bright" young "finance" minds (which, btw asciilifeform , is
the deep reason i dun
think much of "performance enhancing" -
these idiots, not
those idiots) : yes
the job is very... metaphysical, in
the end. yes some accomplished metaphysicians use various "performance enhancers", ever since
the day
they were priests and shamans.
thestringpuller: this reminds me of
the article of
the
type of game
that hand holds you
to
the end. lack of difficult == lack of accomplishment
mircea_popescu: personally, i blame
the english language, which is why all
the various knocks it got.
thestringpuller: the
trophy generation huh? here is a reward for participating even if you sucked.
mircea_popescu: why it's evidently a bad idea here but not even verbalized as a bad idea
there is entirely beyond comprehension.
mircea_popescu: if, quia absurdum, i were
to
take a 13 yo and call her a slave and a slut, and ordered everyone in
the harem
to be deferential
to her majestic slavish sluttery,
the girls would do it, but
the 13 yo STILL wouldn't feel accomplished, or be happy, or anything. on
the contrary, it'd poison her life.
thestringpuller: And after playing
teh Beginner's Guide you walk away
thinking, "Wow a lot of people are pieces of shit, pretending
to have
talent. How could I not recognize
this before?"
thestringpuller: The interesting
thing, is
the profound games
the arise out of
the sludge. While
the children
try
to make
toys and pass
them off as "real
things", (when it's just glue and
twigs stuck
together purporting
to be a doll). For instance
the Beginner's Guide puts you in
the role of having
that mentality.
This "I want recognition for nothing. Call me CEO, bitch. Cause Zuckerberg did it."
mircea_popescu: THIS is
the deep reason so many black kids get shot, incidentally :
that it's not fashionable
to be a "ceo", it's fashionable
to be a "gangsta". and
the idiots get shot. humongo boon for
the black community, and ~the only reason
they don't suck as bad as whitey.
mircea_popescu: the only
thing i regret is
that
they're not pretending
to be you know, boxers. drug lords.
mircea_popescu: then "life is hard". well yes, if
the
turtle didn't pretend
to be an eagle it wouldn't have all
the bumps on
the carpace from all
the rocks it hit on its many forced descents.
mircea_popescu: fuck
this shit, 1% of 1% of what crawls out of woman isn't fit
to be an officer.
mircea_popescu: every single fucktard "businessman" in bitcoin
thinks himself a CEO.
mircea_popescu: the problem is, nobody wants
to intern, everyone wants
to pretend equality
to
their betters,
then "oh it's hard". fucking hell, how would it be easy, you're a child
that's given himself adult responsibilities which precluded you from becoming an adult in
time. hurr durr, stop being stupid.
thestringpuller: if you ever want
to
torture yourself, watch Indie Game
the Movie and watch
the beta male Phil Fish literally cry about how difficult making a game is and wants
to give up.
mircea_popescu: hey, people are lazy and stupid.
there's a very good explanation why
they don't do anything intelligent. for one
thing, it requires work.
thestringpuller: i don't see
that being a problem for regulating eulora coppers
thestringpuller: re: shinohai I don't
think many bitcoin games exist other
than eulora and dragon's
tale. i don't see why more secondlife-like game companies don't get on board. since USG killed second life by regulating linden dollars.
mircea_popescu: like at some point she was doing some shit with 3 friends where
they kept lifting something or
the other in order.
mircea_popescu: they had some interesting
teamwork items
that i intend
to lift.
thestringpuller: like mega crafting villages and "world wonders" and such. (I
think each age is denoted when a community builds a world wonder)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea her and I had some good convo's about ATITD it's a great game. Not many people have played it, but
the crafting system was something really intense for
the
time period.
mircea_popescu: yeah, at least
that was you know, a proper
thing.
there's a difference between drawing a cartoon mouse and copy/pasting mickey.
thestringpuller: it's just a digital casino but has
the same "feel" as ATITD
thestringpuller: The guys who did A
Tale in
the Desert did a game. (A
tale in
the desert was a partial inspiration for chetty iirc)
PeterL: aha, I hadn't
thought of
that
mircea_popescu: well, you can see
the whole
thing in page source, data's
there.
mircea_popescu: that's not a business,
the moment
they make a dime
they get sued and what are
they gonna do ? hire an assassin ?
thestringpuller: Bitcrystals literally copied MTG-online (ironic), and replaced
the credit system in MTG with BitCrystals.
mircea_popescu: in any case what's
the rush, if it pays now or later ; as long as it's not paid dividends it doesn't much make a diff.
shinohai: i was
trying
to generalize.
there are a lot of other places id have
to look
to do an objective gaming piece
shinohai: i
thought of doing a piece comparing s.mg
to bitcrystals but it would likely sound
too biased
thestringpuller: will s.mg start paying
tax now
that it's profitable or is
that just for dividend paying?
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mircea_popescu: or at leas afk, out of all
the "corporate officers" in
their own mind and "cummulative years of expertise" echo'd by php scripts on websites, nobody has actually found it within
their power
to say anything intelligent on
the
topic lo
these many years.
mircea_popescu: there's also some stock warrants outstanding, which is a matter
that is still open wrt valuations in btc.
PeterL: "S.MG has a
total of 88`096`605 authorised shares outstanding.
The shareholder equity per share implied value is
thus 0.00009958 BTC."
shinohai: 8999.66 <<<
this is # of shares in circulation by s.mg ?
shinohai: Now I am grateful for
the prodding Sr. Popescu.
PeterL: BingoBoingo "Access
to sanely parse" s/parse/parsed
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http://phuctor.nosuchla jurov: but whole
thing is still
the graphical client married
to crystalspace
jurov: i just have embedded ecl in eulora and made quite a complete functionality available
to it
☟︎ mircea_popescu: you know
the bot
totally spoiled me in
the sense
that i'd go with sticks, and find ords and
then
totally forget
to lock
them
danielpbarron: more i
think about it, i may have gotten
that sizable without foxybot, which means... I must have been fortunate enough
to see it happen while xmacroing and was able
to lock it in
time
a111: Logged on 2016-08-05 02:45 mircea_popescu: iirc danielpbarron got
that sizable barehanded,
too.
ben_vulpes: bits and pieces look like
they might be fun
to be proximate
to for an hour or
two
ben_vulpes: oh hey
the bridge is pretty cool
though
ben_vulpes: i mean wtf does lawn really mean "dust rectangle"
to brazilians?
ben_vulpes: the photos i've seen of brasilia mostly look
tacky as hell, is it any better in person?
ben_vulpes: woof yeah
that looks like it might work in
theory
ben_vulpes: can one detatch from an x11 display and
then later reconnect
to it, a la
tmux?
mircea_popescu: i guess someone'll have
to bite
teh bullet and make
the
thing.