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mircea_popescu: when you get startled you aslo "short of fusebox". the objection is at best disingenuous.
asciilifeform: so this is a deliciously bad analogy.
asciilifeform: and often is asked to.
mircea_popescu: sure, if you're a fuycking weirdo you may benefit from such nonsense. but a) it's a short term thing and b) whatevert you're doing, you're doing it wrongly, as evidenced by this perceived need to short out the fuse box
asciilifeform: and in fact your fusebox can temporarily supply pulse much greater than its steady current.
mircea_popescu: is this also a case of "o noes, mp is making shorting out hte fusebox into the devil - it could be useful"
asciilifeform: rather than to stay pinned under rubble.
asciilifeform: and there are instances where i'd like to have the option of risking it
mircea_popescu: o noes, "i increased my capacity". well... i can increase the "capacity" of my house circuitry right now, just short the fusebox.
mircea_popescu: so far the discussion is that capacities vary FOR A REASON. a biological reason.
asciilifeform: some folks are taller/faster/stronger/need less sleep/etc. than others.
asciilifeform: only the - quite obvious - fact that capacities vary.
mircea_popescu: so then what do you mean "categories"
mircea_popescu: there is no fucking "categories". and this is a fundamental problem here, that you seem to imagine for whatever reason that the world is a large collections of drawers with labels on them.
asciilifeform: and turned the 'natural, inevitable' into kibble.
asciilifeform: but ~someone~ took out a sharp meat cleaver, like mine, but larger, and CHOPPED the happenstance crud off.
asciilifeform: prior to iron pill, it was perhaps supposed that 'women vary in their energy level and that's that'
asciilifeform: recall thread re mircea_popescu's pets and their iron pill ?
asciilifeform: that none of the existing dopes are demonstrably 'great idea for everyone, let's eat with breakfast' is quite a separate assertion from what i read to be mircea_popescu's supposition 'only idiot would try'
asciilifeform: doping is simply attempt to 'steal fire from the gods' and move up categories, paying whatever price.
asciilifeform: let's try slightly different question. people vary in endurance / energy / sleep req. just as they vary in height, etc.
adlai: the combustion engine alone can't follow lanes, or tell apart an overhead sign from a crossing trailer (the tesla fatality)
mircea_popescu: moreover, that two ten hour parties sum to less than one twenty hour parties is unclear ; that a hit takes a hit out of you is certain.
adlai: quite analogous to fuel quantity, although it's more of an additive than a fuel
adlai: if the problem is "go twenty hours" then the dope works in that you can pick a dose and go
mircea_popescu: it's like talking to bitcointalk i swear. "x works ; y doesn't" "no y is not the devil" "nobody said it is" "but it could work" "has it ?" "i dunno" "then wtf are you on about ?"
asciilifeform: which? the subjectivity ?
mircea_popescu: good thing we spent half hour re-establishing the obvious that alf doesn't like.
asciilifeform: and produced 0 theorem.
asciilifeform: all we have re comparison is that time he made a bet and quit for month
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: the head is not an off-the-shelf part, and so all of the manipulations are sadly subjective. possibly erdos could have achieved same result by having a servant whip him silly every morning. not my place, to say this.
mircea_popescu: i can dose your daughter/sister/wife so she can party "like an animal" on the basis of seeing her naked and knowing how long the party lasts. that's what "speedballs work" means.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker. if the problem is "go ten miles" then the fucking combustion engine works in that i can tell you a fucking fuel qty value.
mircea_popescu: so then WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN WORKS!
asciilifeform: it would have to be a problem that is just out of reach with normal methods.
mircea_popescu: i can buy by the kg if need be, and i'd like to find a way to classify assym cyphers meaningfully. say a number.
mircea_popescu: so what problem will i be able to solve if i take how much dextroamphetamine ?
asciilifeform: was speaking strictly of dopes that 'work, if with miserable side effects'
mircea_popescu: while there's not a single example of "high cns function helped by chemical", you can take ps hoffman as a fine example of "idiot enhanced himself"
asciilifeform: i have nfi what is the latter thing
mircea_popescu: i dunno whence "the devil" comes from, but that aisde, the point was that speedballing does work, if with miserable side effects ; whereas smartrophine or w/e the shit is hoped to work, by a certain demographic.
asciilifeform: nor will either transform pig into man
asciilifeform: tape speed knob did not make the beatles, nor dope made erdos. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is reading a 'what made them' into asciilifeform's 'dope is a tool like any other, not a devil'
asciilifeform: this here, i suspect, is the dispute
mircea_popescu: i'm sure it's what made them.
asciilifeform: the beatles also sped up (and slowed down) tape.
mircea_popescu: we've moved from "i'll make this music better by increasing output volume" heavy metal fan approach to "i'll make this music better by speeding up the tape". welcome to the rap game yo!
mircea_popescu: this regulates firing. not glucose usage on one end ; not rational activity on the other.
asciilifeform: was thinking of adrenergic and dopaminergic systems in particular
mircea_popescu: heh. what is this "Gas pedal" in actual terms ?
asciilifeform: where is that fella when we have the thread as if just for him !
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mircea_popescu: ~the only reason the complicated glucose/lipid interface even exists in the liver is that muscle can't protect itself from brain
asciilifeform: with well-understood tradeoffs.
asciilifeform: so in fact the thing does come with adjustment knob.
asciilifeform: cns comes with own adrenergic 'gas pedal', which most (but interesting, not ALL) of the dopes rely on.
mircea_popescu: here's a newsflash : there's no mechanism to downregulate brain consumption of glucose, outside of the natural.
asciilifeform: an engineering tradeoff, like any other.
mircea_popescu: you seriously imagine it's a matter of "if i just increased the voltage of the south bus, i'd have twice as much ram" ? what is this, 15yo-overclockers-anonymous ?
asciilifeform: i'd be worried if mircea_popescu began to think much of my models.
mircea_popescu: then i don't think much of your biological model of rationality, either.
asciilifeform: 'idiot body thinks that it should conserve the glucose, but i have this 7-dimensional optimization problem that won't solve itself so shuddthefuckup'
asciilifeform: quite similar, actually, to what i had in mind.
mircea_popescu: "the performance of my inflamatory cascade has been enhanced. asa result i am not going to die from this beesting"
mircea_popescu: we weren't discussing it in the general context. fucking obviously doping works at some point, hence inflamation supression.
mircea_popescu: yes, but we were discussing it in the context of your "i wanna solve theorems"
mircea_popescu: you think partying is easy ?
mircea_popescu: stop being a tightass. speedballing is the ~only performance doping actually shown to work.
mircea_popescu: it's not "they have the energy", it's "they actually care" + "they have the recuperative power".
mircea_popescu: it's not a kind of "genetic engineering" of the "magical" kind seen in ~cartoons, "this spider touched radioactive superglue at the same time as this janitor"
mircea_popescu: it's a kind of dentistry - children don't need it, they got milk teeth.
mircea_popescu: it's point is not to make a mousy 15 yo into a total pool party slut. its point is to recover an aging slut, so that she gets a 2nd run starting in her 30s sometime.
asciilifeform: not being an aficionado, it is possible that i do not
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think you deeply misunderstand this technological item, the silicone tits.
asciilifeform: i dun really see a hard distinction between 'performance dopes' and, e.g., silicone tits, or heeled shoes, etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it was "stop being the fucking idiot who thinks he's going to '''improve''' a series car in his fucking garage with a rusty old nail and a blowtorch".
mircea_popescu: there's two kinds of pretty blonde girls that grow double d tits their 15th year : the kind to whose the tits are a boon ; and the kind to whose the tits are a curse.
asciilifeform: but - to move up the stack - mircea_popescu's comment re dopes was, in effect, 'shuddup peon and be content with what nature gave you' wasn't it ?
mircea_popescu: but youy can't "want to be hot" "like napoleon" ffs.
asciilifeform thought this was pretty clear from context..
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise that was the angle.
mircea_popescu: this is a purely sexual matter. yes, the guy was hot as all fuck.
asciilifeform: more in the 'soldiers, i demand your lives, and you will give them to me!' (tm) (r) sense
mircea_popescu: but do define "effective" in this context.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what your symbols are typical shorthand for.
asciilifeform: 'napoleon' is typically shorthand for 'effective napoleon', unless the asylum is explicitly specified, neh ?
mircea_popescu: im sure the first few "buy viagra" emails were also widely read.
mircea_popescu: the ~only reason they didn't fill the asylums at that time has to do with the relative naivite of spamfilters.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, there was no shortage of napoleons, even at the time of napoleon.
mircea_popescu: i dun think much of your historical model.
asciilifeform: on account of their one-time over-representation in asylums
asciilifeform: shorthand for 'exceptional mover of things' conventionally
mircea_popescu: you can not "BE" napoleon ffs. what is with all this label-based categorical thinking.
mircea_popescu: napoleon is essentially 1700s herostratus. a more successful histrion, but that's a matter of circumstance mostly.
asciilifeform: what, laser beam from the heavens has to illuminate you before you can finally napoleon ?
asciilifeform: (and no anybody else worth the mention)
mircea_popescu: and generally stop with the fucking titulature ; between the dizzy cow who thinks herself "an expert on geopolitics" for having a geopolitics degree from geopolitics university and alf thinking himself a "jet fighter" for reason of the rule of cool - no difference.
asciilifeform: if everybody followed this dictum, there'd be no napoleon at all.