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fractal: Anduck: That is not what was advertised. What was advertised was not met. 400Gh was not achived with the hardware, so they had to re-imburse customers at their own expense --- I knew they would miss these targets, which is why i bet NO

kleeck: I think there's only one solution to this. Duel to the death!

fractal: I hope you can understand this

kleeck: Does bitbet need an arbiter of justice? I'd love that role... also the title.

fractal: Anduck: I dont see any mention of KIT on there. And If i read the language the performance is not met in a device.

Anduck: fractal: yeah i did, can be unit or miner or kit

fractal: mircea_popescu: becaucause he could ship as much hardware to make up for it -- provided the power usage was low enough.... but I placed the bet based on Power usage AND hashrate in a single self-contained UNIT

fractal: Anduck: If the bet language said "If punin can't make a 400Gh single device, he's allow to ship as much hardware as he wan'ts, and we'll just consider it a 'KIT' "" --- if it said that, there's no way in my right mind i would have bet NO... it would be an impossible bet to win

kleeck: Yes. What I'm seeing is the classic, "Oh come on, we all knew the intended bet!" Which isn't a sound defense. The debate must center around the words used to describe the bet. If the product is a "mining unit" and meets the spec in the bet, then Anduck is correct, else fractal is correct.

mircea_popescu: fractal also why i asked you if it's your first time and advised you go small. these things do happen.

kleeck: mircea_popescu, I rather enjoy what is coming of it.

fractal: Anduck: well I only placed a no bet based on the language of a UNIT being a self-containted device that is attached....

TomServo: I don't understand the debate over kit, unit, whateverthefuck. Does the 'thing' do 400GH/s @ 400W or not?

mircea_popescu: <fractal> Anduck: I came in here specifically to ask mircea_popescu and he said that a 400Gh 'UNIT' must exist --- based on the math, it can't <<< which snippet is this ?

fractal: Anduck: I only placed a NO bet because I didn't belive they'd hit 400Gh in a single unit. BFL missed, and others. The bet says that there should be a 400Gh unit shipped, and it should be under 400W.... it might be under 400W, but its not 400Gh

Anduck: so i think unit should be understood as kit

Anduck: i have 3 h-boards.. they eat 54 watts from the wall

kleeck: I haven't read it yet. I will if you want. I was chiming in more to the point of "do semantics matter" - I'll read the bet.

fractal: Anduck: I came in here specifically to ask mircea_popescu and he said that a 400Gh 'UNIT' must exist --- based on the math, it can't

Anduck: i think the statement is more importnat

kleeck: I disagree mircea_popescu. I understand that there are situations, like this one, but there are ways of being more clear and less clear. Therefore clearity exists even if on a spectrum..

fractal: Anduck, i'm not done posting picture.... http://imageshack.us/a/img11/6249/krlv.png see inside the case? the M-board. it only fits 16 cards.

Anduck: fractal: as i said, that case is not a bfsb product

Anduck: i mean, the case in that picture*

fractal: Anduck: please let me know if you have trouble loading this image, i can mirror it for you somehwere else

fractal: I dont know how I can be any more clear that this is a single device --- Notice how it is a 'box' that has '400Ghash miner' written on it with white letters? http://imageshack.us/a/img407/6741/1bzj.png

Anduck: so i think it's perfectly clear we're talking about kits when we talk about units

mircea_popescu: lol. i guess this is how a good bet works, it's totally clear to everyone except it doesn't match.

fractal: err, the statement i mean

fractal: Anduck: yes. What the bet actaully SAYS matters more then statement -- I specifically came in here 2 days ago to ask mircea_popescu specifics about this

Anduck: kleeck: i am asking that is the actual wording/semantics more important than the bet itself

mircea_popescu: well the best i can do for either side atm is to say we'll see how this turns out.

Anduck: but that was exact quote from the bet... i'll stop fighting with you now :I

fractal: Anduck: again, thats not what the bet says. I'm very sorry.

Anduck: i don't see why it wouldn't be as i said.

Anduck: that is only semantics as i said.

fractal: Anduck: mircea_popescu himself stated that it needs to be 400Gh AND under 400W. I have chat logs. it was from 2 days ago.

Anduck: i also do not see it as a requirement that someone from the 5 confirmed deliveries must have ordered exactly 400 ghash kit

Anduck: i don't really see how one could understand the wording so wrong

Anduck: but what i meant is that customer gets the performance he ordered

Anduck: i chose a little bad word

Anduck: i know it because i wrote it

mircea_popescu: what i've seen was two boards each hashing > 25gh tho

Graet: well since i deposited coins the site has changed to have a disclaimer about nothing being real and now its a "demo" not sure what to think/ask atm

TradeFortress: I expect the dust will settle soon

TradeFortress: Graet, go to bed (I should too), look at what has changed

Rulother: Frankly I couldn't see a way to truly debate the acquisition without any sort of evidence

Graet: i was just going to bed when i noticed changes

TradeFortress: I'll pm

TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, ok, I guess I did a bad job explaining the changes cuz you don't get it

ThickAsThieves: i wonder if labcoin holders realize that no single one of them has 39.5btc to make orders like these

pankkake: "I think people are missing the significance of a 50% div payout. Most people will reinvest it into ACtM and that will give the share price much needed buying pressure and stabilise the stock at a reasonable level.

mircea_popescu: i guess this suggests topace's not in on the scam.

jurov: i see the mp's anatomy in the very end of first page

ThickAsThieves: i guess that term is good enough

mircea_popescu: i wonder if the girl's post irked the scammer so now he's going to push his scamset to 5 just to prove how very wrong we all are.

pankkake: I use https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/no-cookie-for-google-search/

mircea_popescu: i used to think if you use random ip w/o history of search they jsuit give you "the" results

pankkake: 3 for me. I am not logged in, when you are, it's often different

ThickAsThieves: "The terms of coinlenders have changed - there's no longer a personal guarantee on the loans. As there's no guarantee AND there's no disclosure of assets backing the deposits (and they can be used for speculation not just for safe loans) I'm not certain Coinlenders even meets our investment criteria any more." says Deprived

pankkake: they have the stupidest shareholders, when I go to their threads, half of them are already ignored :p

thestringpuller: nvm I see it

ThickAsThieves: i was amazed they still had the bidget

jborkl: ah, yeah I bet your are right

ThickAsThieves: there was a huge blackberry video ad in times square when i was there

jborkl: I have not seen one in years now

mircea_popescu: i think bitcoins should come with a copy of Benjamin Graham's books.

ThickAsThieves: maybe i'm onto something

ThickAsThieves: I should start TAT.HAMBURGERS as performance art

gecko_x2: i'm a towering genius

mircea_popescu: i guess time to stir the pot a little.

ThickAsThieves: "What! it means I bought overprice shares yesterday Sad"

mircea_popescu: i guess someone should start an ipo selling indulgences to get in Bitcoin heaven

ThickAsThieves: i like how they are measuring jokes in increments of jokes

VanCleef: i'm still laughing

thestringpuller: now I can't finish my breakfast

VanCleef: i'm thinking about doing a ipo to raise funds to install female toilets at bitcoin conventions, really good investment

mircea_popescu: actually i saw some theorizing that it's really a girl all along, and i'm just the fake irc personality thereof.

VanCleef: i thought maybe it was like an inside joke like amethyst

mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah i'm kidding

thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: are you kidding? I would tap a 35 year old over a 20 year old any day of the week.

VanCleef: i'm good either way, not judging

mircea_popescu: i will be getting this in like 2018 too won't i

mircea_popescu: i don't, no.

thestringpuller: I might as well print out best of trilema, and sell it at the n00b conventions :P

thestringpuller: I wanna read your asicminer article

mircea_popescu: i think they're just trying to protect from iskflation.

mod6: and thestringpuller: because its what i know. and i kinda hate python

mod6: to the end of the tweets. we'll see how it goes. first i gotta get the damn PM problem wrapped.

mircea_popescu: well the alternative is missing trades. wtf am i to do.

mod6: well, i miss the @MPEx1 feed, so i figure i'd play with my own. if i break the thing, whatever.

mircea_popescu: pankkake i had added a random number at end for the case where people do one of thiose

mod6: well, i registered this app in their OAuth thing and have keys and everything. should be ok.

thestringpuller: i have a question

mod6: i added this part to the bot that /should/ tweet the MPEx part of assbots stream. But i keep hitting these snags with not found modules. mainly because the host it runs on doesn't allow me to run CPAN. So I have to drop everything in by hand lol.

kleeck: I'd like to thank ArcticWolf for the .gif idea. Also Yifu, for the fuckin' best quote I've read in a long time.

thestringpuller: i see mod6

thestringpuller: but I guess you already know that

kleeck: Well. I might just get to buy at a discount ON btct.

kleeck: I don't know, getting knocked out doesn't really work, it would have to be power rankings or something.