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mircea_popescu: fractal i have a history, by now it's long in btc terms.

mircea_popescu: they'd certainly fail otherwise. so no, i'd just wait for them to die.

ThickAsThieves: i have mpex AND coinbr

fractal: I bet you could get 100's of people at 1-2BTC,

mircea_popescu: i've said it's only going to go up in the future, and it's a fact.

mod6: ok, well maybe i aught to add a random number to this thing now...

fractal: I made an investment a couple weeks ago,,, profit seems to have stalled there for a bit

mircea_popescu: fractal iirc i made ~20 btc betting too

mircea_popescu: i hadn't realised how fucking integral to btc ecosystem trilema is. i'll have to get redundancy for that too now ?!

pankkake: well, I'm still at a loss from my small investment on JD. bad timing

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mircea_popescu: fractal i was one of the large early investors.

fractal: although the investment ROI has stalled in the past couple weeks... but i think whoehver bought SD madea mistake ;)

fractal: well, i gotta run... talk to you guys later.

Rulother: so I know who to weed out

Rulother: I'm going to automatically ignore anyone that says that on the forums

ThickAsThieves: accept x y z all translate to "cuz i bought some"

mircea_popescu: i wonder why people don't just say "dude, i'm a big labcoin fan, because x y z"

ThickAsThieves: i wonder how many forum geniuses lurk here

mircea_popescu: i wanna scoop her up early

mircea_popescu: i wouldn't want to miss up on the next cher.

Rulother: I can't do that

mircea_popescu: you know i never heard of her.

mircea_popescu: masturbatory sexualness, i think it comes as a food additive.

Rulother: I think she's a crazy mastermind

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i think it died once fractal said the magical word i agree

fractal: mircea_popescu: i agree.... thats why law is a difficult field

ThickAsThieves: I respect Miley Cyrus as an artist an female

Rulother: So there's like two arguements going on at once in here I see

fractal: mircea_popescu: right -- i meants the 2nd laptop comes with a power cord also

mircea_popescu: well ok, i know exactly why. you caught me :p

ThickAsThieves: mp Pale Phoenix really doesnt like you (labcoin thread) "Perhaps I should be more tolerant of manic, shrill bullies like PRBot. It must be quite tragic to be so sure that you stand at the center of the universe, only to realize that you're just another decaying bit of yesterday's news."

fractal: mircea_popescu: depends what your definition of unit is, i suppose.... i think most people would say its one unit.... but if there were 2 laptops, because the first laptop wasn't fast enough, it would be 2 units

fractal: mircea_popescu: you're splitting hairs now i think ;)

mircea_popescu: bobbabad_ i can ignore you if you absolutely want that.

mircea_popescu: but seriously, if i buy a laptop, which comes as two item (power supply + laptop) am i buying one or two units ?

fractal: I think most people, looking at a picture would call 1 thing a UNIT, and 2 things multiple UNITS

mircea_popescu: i sort-of wonder if after this people will go have some nice icecream and argue over the cones with the poor hapless waitress.

fractal: Bunnyh: right -- they're getting more , but the actual hardware itself missed specs -- this is what i based my NO bet on

bobbabad_: mircea_popescu: I get you the two of you like to cause drama and stir the pot... but with posts like that you both just looks like assclowns

Bunnyh: fractal: i don't really have a good opinion on how to decide, if they did deliver 400GH for everyone who ordered 400GH, and the total hardware doesn't consume more power than advertised (but would consist of more than 1 master board with 16 hashing boards)

KRS-1: i am win

ThickAsThieves: i missed this whole argument, but i say, when shit is this hard to sort, you are solving the wrong problem

jurov: at least i did not mix shipping and delivery there

ThickAsThieves: i like the concept

mod6: i like her, she delivers butthurt to the bitcoin masses

johnnyfootball: i heard bitfury already has a killer mining pool

ThickAsThieves: that was me, I'm selling Chinese Kitchens

mircea_popescu: i doubt they give a shit.

jurov: Anduck, you really meant different conditions for shipping and delivery? i don't believe that

fractal: mircea_popescu: which I think would make it a conflict of intrest for him to debate it -- I think 3rd parties who are neutral should strictly look at the language -- otherwise he can just say 'oh, thats not what i meant!' and fuck over the NO bets ;(

Bunnyh: i see 3 requirements: a) they must ship both kinds of devices (25G and 400G) before 1st. b) both kinds of devices must meet power/speed requirements. c) 5 deliveries confirmed (this req. doesn't specify which kind of devices)

Anduck: i already said it

Anduck: i bet the 10 btc

Anduck: i wrote it yes

mircea_popescu: i guess that's an argument.

Anduck: and i think that is met if there are 5 confirmed deliveries

jurov: fractal: i agree

jborkl: I do think the wording on the bets needs work, more people would bet if they were clearer

fractal: i'd agree.

jborkl: and to clarify I do not have a order or a bet

fractal: mircea_popescu: so you suggest cancelling bet buy betting on the other side ... the weight is too low though ;) i dont have enough BTC ;(

Anduck: i paid for 2x 25 Ghash starter kit

jurov: as i said if no 400gh order was delivered, and we require at least one, then the bit was not filled

fractal: mircea_popescu: i'm reading the bet cancellation policy link now... thanks

jborkl: i am not sure actually

fractal: the problem here I think is what is a 'UNIT' --- this is what we're debating ;)

Anduck: i think the 5x 25gh would be sufficient too (but my opinion must be non-counting due to the fact i am on "yes" side of the bet)

fractal: i can get them if needed tho

fractal: jborkl: I asked mircea_popescu this question , in the logs he said he'd like to see proof of a 400Gh unit as well as a 25Gh unit ... i dont have logs tho

jborkl: I think the 5 25 would be sufficient

jborkl: jurov: I would think reading it first order of business is the 5 delivery, as you were looking at

fractal: Anduck: I'm in for nearly that on the NO side...

Anduck: i made the 10btc bet

fractal: the other thing i'm worried about is punin sending pictures to a forum user and paying them to post a 400Gh unit saying its hashing at 400Gh -- rumour has it punin made the 10BTC yes bet

fractal: I only made the bet based on what I say on the bitfury website -- that a 400Gh unit was "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"

jurov: and now i want to know whether *any* 400gh order was fullfilled

fractal: jurov: i dont disagree -- but not according to the bet langugae

fractal: I'm trying to make a unit what was advertised -- 1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips

Anduck: i think unit is the mining unit.

fractal: you can't just say 'Oh, that langugage is not what I meant!!'

Anduck: well, i was right anyway

fractal: I'd cancel if Anduck agrees.

Anduck: but i just want to know is it even possible

Anduck: i am not canceling anything right now

jurov: so, i prefer to ask whether anyone actually ordered that product (regardless of actual HW)

fractal: Anduck: to be honest -- i'd rather cancel the bet then have a long forum discussion that takes hours of debate over the next few days -- if you'd agree... otherwise I'll have to clear my schedule ;)

jborkl: but I don't get a vote

jborkl: so I see it as a yes

jurov: the bet. i mean

jurov: i think if they don't ship more boards as a kit to fullfill the 400gh, then it's clearly false

mircea_popescu: lemme see if i manage to dig up this

fractal: mircea_popescu: no, i'm not..... can both sides agree to cancel the bet?

Anduck: i mean

fractal: Anduck: That's not what the language in the bet says though.... seriously... I'm sorry you weren't more specific

fractal: I went to bitfurystrikesback.com and looked at what was advertised -- I thought, no way they'll get 400Gh on that M-board with 16 cards -- they might hit power -- but I don't think they'll get 400Gh out of that --- I put my money where my mouth is, and I was right--

jborkl: advertised performance, not size or space taken up as i see it

mircea_popescu: in retrospect i think this is absolutely the first time a genuine wording problem has come to fore. the previous one (on the bfl specs) was thoroughly manufactured by dishonest blf.

Anduck: fractal: i don't see why.. the performance is met and it can be proven from the hashrate@power usage of the smaller hashrate miners

fractal: Anduck: if i recall logs correctly, mircea_popescu stated a 400gh device would have to be proven.... i'll have to check logs again tho.