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a111: Logged on 2016-08-28 06:48 mircea_popescu: the minor tragedy of this major tragedy is that he would really have been very happy with james.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-28#1530781 << there is no mention of nonworking cock in rodger.. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-28 14:05 thestringpuller: When did Pump and Dump become a viable business strategy? It's like 1990's albania up in here.
mircea_popescu: though it goes well with his complete disinterest in you know, a brothel. i suspect even if he had had a "hot sexy girlfriend", she wouldn't have necessarily known it. prolly more hand-in-handwalks than handjobs on his menu.
mircea_popescu: yeah, very ridiculous that he left, it seems to me definite they'd have paired him forcibly.
diana_coman: bet in morroco he would have had all the caves to "gather" in and saved the shiny paint on that bmw
mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform , is georgy gapon the first case of russian autoerotic asphyxiation ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ie, all the bitchez go to the same three dudes. FOR NO REASON
mircea_popescu: if you do that, they'll jsut gather in some cave / internet forum and bitch and whine about "hypergamy"
diana_coman: yes, it is common; that still doesn't mean that they shouldn't be kicked to deal with it themselves; but clearly something to be started way before he was 20, there is that
mircea_popescu: male shyness is actually quite common, in all mammal species, and also with womans. if i had a satoshi for every historical case where the poor mother in law had to stick her worthless son's penis into some girl by hand, i wouldn't even be poor.
diana_coman: uhm, by the looks of it so that she can have a shit for a kid
diana_coman: quite curious how he sees that
diana_coman: I'm still waiting to get to his view of how they called the police/why
mircea_popescu: IT IS THE LEAST SHE CAN DO!!1
mircea_popescu: but you know this is how it worked, and still how it mostly works.
diana_coman: and he even directly says that she should put out with whatever because ..him; and she just...refuses; nothing else; wtf
diana_coman: he begs his mother to get married to a rich guy to ...save his (elliot's) life
mircea_popescu: there's such a great novel in there...
mircea_popescu: the minor tragedy of this major tragedy is that he would really have been very happy with james. ☟︎
diana_coman: I suspect he would find *that* too much too
diana_coman: what change? he finds it too much to actually be in this nasty "unfair" world, he wants someone to make him a little bubble at least to keep it all away
mircea_popescu: how then ?
diana_coman: I don't think it has to do with changing him
mircea_popescu: mayhap only a woman would see that in there. i can't readily discern what part is in the painting and what part is in the natural "i'll change him" eye of the beholderess.
diana_coman: he actually keeps saying he wants someone to take care of things, of him etc
diana_coman: well, that is what he would have answered if you asked him, certainly; but in practice it seems more like what to do: get back with daddy, go to that college etc
mircea_popescu: i dun see that. you mean, "what to do" as in, how to arrange the curl on forehead so girls finally behave properly ?
diana_coman: he certainly wanted the money (well, any money) but to me he sounded more like he was in fact searching very much for someone to finally tell him what to do
mircea_popescu: diana_coman he sounds like he just wanted the money.
mircea_popescu: actually, by and large men are very much like fizz in soda. which is why the practice of keeping reserves in military conflict. after the first wave, fresh fighters can utterly wreak havoc on the other side.
diana_coman: similarly one second he is supposedly totally and absolutely disgusted with his father (ftr I don't know who wouldn't by the sounds of it) and the next second he makes friends again because... he has been asked to by his nan
asciilifeform: so there's that.
asciilifeform: though he did stab a bunch of ??? in the end
mircea_popescu: nah, this is how undisciplined boy behaves. he has about three seconds of bravery until norepinephrine is metabolised.
diana_coman: and for all his supposed knife, all he does is to pour coffee or juice on people, I mean seriously
diana_coman: still, there are in fact inconsistencies in elliot's narrative: one second he's fighting off those boys in the truck (even with a knife!) and the next second he flees because one (ONE) boy...shouted at him
asciilifeform: (but in actuality afaik she was a hobo and probably won no beauty contest, but there is little record)
mircea_popescu: and very right and proper of a historical aristocrat, at that. like you know, the charge of whatever brigade.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the guy with the crate seems to miss the "but I was SO worthy, how did the winning ticket DARE to choose someone else"
mircea_popescu: imo it's very close to what elliot's been doing.
mircea_popescu: quite that, yes.
mircea_popescu: that's the clou.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was the man personally insulted when he didn't win ? the crate isn't the criteria here.
mircea_popescu: they take money that was thrown at them by idiot barbarians in foreign lands, and wisely expend it exactly thusly.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you'll be pleased to find no doubt that the enitre population of that part of the world spends all its time doing exactly this :
asciilifeform: it is common today. i personally witnessed a man having bought an entire crate of tickets.
diana_coman: o "want" is too much to handle
diana_coman: ftr what I find more mind boggling is the degree to which nobody around him actually has anything to do really and I mean first his parents; at least from his account all they do is to throw at him money above what he can in fact handle; in one view I could almost frame this as poor kid got thrown into a station so much above himself that the difference between what he *knows* he is worth (nothing) and what he has been forced t
asciilifeform: this incidentally is not a necessary element. the other rodgers i know of, did not exhibit it.
mircea_popescu: he may be the last case of an intellect genuinely baffled at the process of lottery.
mircea_popescu: the process is evident throughout, "lottery exists, therefore it must have a winner. i am great, therefore i must win it."
mircea_popescu: maybe. my interpretation is that he took a very strict view of my earlier stand in our dispute re corectness. it was simply not possible for any sort of result to be obtained through example.
asciilifeform: picture the fella cleaning a cage..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: abduction rape quite likely resembled actual work far too closely for herr rodger to take an interest.
mircea_popescu: more like "recognize", like they were retina scanners that ceased working.
diana_coman: ah, there is that indeed, he uses to choose in a certain way
mircea_popescu: which explains the complete disinterest in any sort of inductive approach (which is also how he didn't end up one of those long term abduction rapists)
mircea_popescu: note that they don't get agency, he still knows how they ~should~ have chosen ; and the objection is they're malfunctioning in their alloted destiny.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman not more than the idea of the sword in the stone breaks old monarchy.
diana_coman: hmm, doesn't it break this view of his right at the core when he expects then items to "choose" him?
asciilifeform: if it were 'forgotten' i missed the memo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is the meaning i learned in school
mircea_popescu: (enormity also means "monstruous nonsense", for the record. even if it's a secondary meaning forgotten on the web.)
asciilifeform: where's the hole?
mircea_popescu: yeah, but this leaves a pretty serious hole for the rest of us, who you know, have pleasant relations with women and don't quite grok this "not person" immensity.
asciilifeform: it is worth mentioning that i am a connoisseur of subj, since the performance of mssrs. harris & klebold, yet the showing of rodger was so lackluster that it slipped my attention entirely in '14
mircea_popescu: suppose we run a simpler tiered system : people with his killcount or more may speak against him. seems a pretty reasonable implementation of your "in the arena, with retiarii" idea of adjudication. and he doesn't come out too bruised from it, either.
mircea_popescu: well what sort of contest is this, where you get to decide the goalposts.
mircea_popescu: he kinda won that neh ?
asciilifeform: in the arena, with retiarii
mircea_popescu: so he says women are items ; and you say women are persons. how do you resolve this dispute ? "obviously" ?
asciilifeform: those terms
asciilifeform: how's that
mircea_popescu: not to mention that impungning those terms is a much more difficult task than average vanilla derp intuits.
mircea_popescu: the beauty of the guy's work is that it is, in fact, quite reasonable in its own terms.
asciilifeform: 'dear sir pray tell how'
mircea_popescu: ftr, if this happened to you for a decade straight you'd be pissed off too.
mircea_popescu: his objection is that for some reason the toilet in his bathroom keeps overflowing, while it seems to work fine for everyone else.
asciilifeform: and there are folks who envy toilet before they're through.
mircea_popescu: to quote that usg official, "what the azn wants are loose shoes, cheap lattes and a tight pussy to shit in"
asciilifeform: well it is, iirc, not uncommon symptom of terminal rodgeritis
mircea_popescu: obviously. it'd be like envying the toilet.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-28 05:58 mircea_popescu: an entire generation of jennifers and joshes being "actors" and "successful" in these dubious e!-like productions...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-28#1530649 << interesting imho detail, that i think mircea_popescu also noticed - at no point is mr. hero seen to envy chix ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "while the bullet's buzzin', the hands are clappin'"
mircea_popescu: though tbh, since there's bluetooth, i'd do it with butt bullets.
asciilifeform: do they have the little bell?
BingoBoingo: "a crowd of pathetic fans who reminded me of sheep cheered from the other side" << Aka hired from craigslist. Beats McDonalds where burgers actually are not flipped, but "cooked" on both sides at once.
BingoBoingo: The perfect post-pre-post modern leading teenage girl played by a late something
mircea_popescu: and both groups are idiotic enough to actually imagine this relates to power.
BingoBoingo: She's got an average face that is disproportionately chubby compared to the rest of her body. Perfect synergy of girls in the audience feel pretty and teenage boys can still get off to the leaked n00dz
mircea_popescu: just looking through the publicists going to town with this jennifer lawrence chick. she's... marginally not ugly. best that can be said about her. dudes got her into fucking forbes, "most influential woman" etc blablabla. reheheheally ?
BingoBoingo: And this is how an aristocracy comes to necessarily be selected by GPG and IRC, the new one was too broken in its broken
mircea_popescu: an entire generation of jennifers and joshes being "actors" and "successful" in these dubious e!-like productions... ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but anyway, with this opportunistic opportunity i now found out one alexander ludwig exists.
mircea_popescu: sunt atitea meserii frumoase... si trebuie-ncercate...
BingoBoingo: Just think, if the late an hero only would have followed the path of other failed sk8er kids and went punk and heroin.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo totally.
BingoBoingo: " I saw obnoxious slobs who dressed in basketball shorts and T-shirts walking with hot girls. And there I was, decked out in Armani, all by myself. It was preposterous!" << SHoulda dressed in carhart coveralls soaked in either mud or used oil