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lobbes: e.g. my #t log's 1934984 = alf's and so on
diana_coman: as to *what* caused the reconnect, I can't say I know exactly: the bot's log duly reports a "listen socket error, disconnecting", followed by the expected reconnect but I can't see / don't know where to look, possibly for anything more informative.
lobbes: first though, I'm still log spelunking re: bot reconnect. Namely what is taking me so long here is that I went to check apache access log (to rule out a ddos) only to discover... it ain't logging anymore! I suspect I nuked a crucial module somewhere when I was trying to get the proxy stuff working
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i can't speak for erryone, but found that ~whole of education consists in swallowing 'not likes' and ~then~ thinking. rather than how kid comes from cradle, 'i dun like, won't think'
diana_coman: obviously and proven the "don't like" is not good so ...
diana_coman: asciilifeform: but exactly because of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934910 I just can't get the idea of "don't like" when asked re forth
mircea_popescu: still doesn't make chuck moore's putative 1990s vlsi-er anything other than php. because what did it do, 15 cells ? o noes, centimetre process ? HARDWORK
diana_coman: asciilifeform: since I can't say I know *what* you like, that part is not very clear to me: what is it that you don't like about it?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 13:01:29 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934821 << not irl. large packet flow is, you'll perhaps discover, one of the most "oversold" ie fraudulently misrepresented items in nature. much like the city comes put faucets into yur house but you can't run them 24/7, except ^8.
asciilifeform: fwiw i suspect the fella would be here if he weren't 90 y.o.
mircea_popescu: doesn't strike me as that unreasonable a standard ; but if it is -- fuck reason, i'm married to this standard before and beyond any fucking reason (not to mention -- before any sort of reason inkled in young mp's skull). so if something between this standard and reason
mircea_popescu: can't be famous on stories.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934823 << again, not irl. and i don't even advise trying this out
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934821 << not irl. large packet flow is, you'll perhaps discover, one of the most "oversold" ie fraudulently misrepresented items in nature. much like the city comes put faucets into yur house but you can't run them 24/7, except ^8.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 08:47:46 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934395 << it always was, dood. just because people don't customarily engage in what he's exactly right to call sinful, by reason of being so premature as to necessarily be doomed to stating idiocy,
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 07:30:09 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934326 << inexplicably remains that you don't.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934664 << i also haven't learned hieroglyphs and moved to pekin. doesn't mean that couldn't, or at some point won't come to it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 07:18:44 mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care if they become things or not -- but i'd much rather not be asked to foot the bill for their becoming. let them do the work themfuckingselves, which is why i say : piggybacking even more stupid shit atop a tower of stupid shit we're allegedly trying to clean up is... well ? it's stupid!
asciilifeform: doesn't figure prominently in opensores liquishit -- is tru
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 01:28:50 mircea_popescu: anyway, biosacks only need names if they're about to log here. both hanbot an' nicoleci are on, and so far what you lot wanna use them for is rather punching bags, from experience, so i don't see the urgency in naming anyone else.
mircea_popescu: 4 chars plox, base64. can't type this shit by hand
mircea_popescu: that's right isn't it
hanbot: speaking of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934455 lulz: wasn't that chick from the same Evanston, IN mentioned in ye oddball spam?
mircea_popescu: but, what ca you do. i wasn't an adult in the 80s.
diana_coman: I would surely hope so; though you know, seeing how the bac data stuff went with those concerned focusing on "why are you doing this??" and ~nothing else, I wouldn't even be sure of anything.
mircea_popescu: c) we don't take your elder sons/merit-washed eromenoi, fuck off, this is only for nazi kids.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, the idea is to have the #1 college in the uk for whatever specialty of your choice simultaneously a) 0 tuition ; b) "we don't take your govt scrip here" ie off their bezzle circuit and
diana_coman: the point is to be able to give degrees they can't ignore/wave away , for stuff which is ours and as such probably mostly at odds with their ideas?
mircea_popescu: you ain't getting a physical building without status, though, what sense'd that make ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, my thinking is that if you don't apply for bezzle, then it could perhaps be lightweight, easy to get.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934570 - after a first look, it seems to me that it all depends on the degree to which one cares about "the system"; personally I don't care and don't even want to make the venture "caring" but to know what I'm looking for: are their notions (eg of "degrees") of any interest at all?
mircea_popescu: doesn't nevertheless mean it ain't in the plan.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934395 << it always was, dood. just because people don't customarily engage in what he's exactly right to call sinful, by reason of being so premature as to necessarily be doomed to stating idiocy,
mircea_popescu: 're used to, what they expect, what they need. what, you think inca makes sense ? inca dun make fucking sense, a competition in sense with inca's fucking nonsense. the competition's in tupeu, and ain't gonna nobody have more of that than us.
mircea_popescu inserts by reference the 5k threads on pizarro, "hey why the fuck aren't you out there pounding the world".
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:34:28 trinque: I'd just want to know who we're selling to. ourselves isn't enough
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:24:24 trinque: the republic can't live correctly and expect folks to line up. the world's too far gone. money has to whip around in republic-shaped loops long enough to retrain enough human heads.
mircea_popescu: mpex seat for ~value of usg "senator" wasn't some kinda idiosyncratic joke. it's how the future works.
mircea_popescu: that's how economy works at the scale here discussed, "and if you don't like it, get ready for valleyforge -- if you got it in you".
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:22:57 trinque: I wouldn't propose building the thing without first identifying the market.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934326 << inexplicably remains that you don't.
mircea_popescu: chuck moore had ~supposedly~. allegedly. in that manner, like danielpbarron has god and like usa has prosperity -- if you don't look too closely.
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care if they become things or not -- but i'd much rather not be asked to foot the bill for their becoming. let them do the work themfuckingselves, which is why i say : piggybacking even more stupid shit atop a tower of stupid shit we're allegedly trying to clean up is... well ? it's stupid!
mircea_popescu: (to give out the full helping of lulz : as far as anyone knows, mod_php doesn't even exist. the cannonical repository sports a lulzily empty link ; the backup is our old friends' myspace, wherein the source is given as ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/imap which, needless to say, doesn't resolve. nor do the "mirror s
mircea_popescu: some things elementary can't even be. what'd a mod_lisp be like, and how would it differ from http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933597 ? i expect the answer is "it differs -- in all the wrong ways".
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:59:52 trinque: the existence of mod_php isn't much of an argument either. there's mod_everything
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:34:11 trinque: eh "this morning's experiments" don't appear to be on a blog or otherwise documented
mircea_popescu: (ftr, this being a purely apache job, i do expect to see flask and crap taken out ; but othrweise no problem having actual channel sitting bot in python, doesn't hafta be rewritten or anything like that.)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934300 << you actually don't even fucking need it ; it's a stop-gap measure.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:49:11 asciilifeform: and that can search from www, without cluttering chans ( my bot doesn't do PM and i intend to keep it that way )
mircea_popescu: otherwise... i can't imagine why the fuck.
BingoBoingo: I don't see what's wrong with calling it a college and graduating it to University once 1+ graduates have the credentials to propose new faculties to the college
diana_coman: in any case, my puzzle there is whether it's worth making even such concession at all; I'm normally not inclined and I'd say it's on them if they are dumb enough to not go in because it doesn't say incubator;
BingoBoingo: God no, I haven't seen a startup incubator that doesn't smell like the sump in my HS locker room.
mircea_popescu: and, of course, can meter / charge for usage! a bitcent at a time, deedbot won't mind.
mircea_popescu: t done in chan".
mircea_popescu: don't think in terms "trillion files will lay eggs". will not -- that's why it's in chan. why not take the opportunity to support the republic, specifically ?
mircea_popescu: that wasn't an ~idle~, throwaway comment, btw. "don't let me keep you from your destiny" means exactly what it says : that there's a way we know things do actually work, and then there's a history of the republic to date -- it consists of a lulzy/depressing but in any case unrelenting march of people trying to do anything-but-that, everywhich way and all the time.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 02:15:03 mp_en_viaje: in general, fwis, it's ~always much better to do the "use apache for threading and fs-as-cache" model than anything else. but then again i'm not the hacker, don't let me keep you from your destiny.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934283 << and i still don't think there's anything wrong with it. website offering search box not necessity. if bot does, all is well.
mircea_popescu: persistence won't change this.
mircea_popescu: good thing we talk of flaks, that's important. comparatively, i can't argue, WAY yhe fuck more important. hurr.
mircea_popescu: "oh, but mp, we didn't know". OF COURSE you fucking didn't know. what you DID know, however, today as in 2017 as in 2015 as for a while, is that the zone's the zone. what the fuck's gonna happen in there ?
mircea_popescu: "can't commit" "okay..." "why's nothing happening ?" "duh ?" "nofair, should have way around eat+keep cake" "ummkay."
mircea_popescu: who pulled revenue from ~outside~ of republic ? ian murdock ? mark cuban ? esr ? varanul ? things that don't exist don't exist because they dont' exist, can't go about blaming the inex
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 13:41:15 asciilifeform: hey diana_coman , didja ever manually test the reconnector? i -- did; but from lobbes's bot i have dark suspicion that it doesn't 100% work !!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:37:26 trinque: bv wishes not to be raised, and I shan't press the issue further.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:34:11 trinque: eh "this morning's experiments" don't appear to be on a blog or otherwise documented
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:23:35 trinque: I was by no means a lisp expert when I wrote the item, so in re: languages thread, I don't think it should reflect on CL
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:22:10 trinque: probably the situation was that most times server doesn't ping if client has already.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 15:17:27 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934123 <-- huh, whaddaya know, that was the problem! ty, diana_coman! unfortunately baking a patch isn't as simple as "vdiff a b", because sbcl comes with binaries included. :| will get to this when I'm back home
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934209 << keks. because why wouldn't it, amirite.
mircea_popescu: anyway, biosacks only need names if they're about to log here. both hanbot an' nicoleci are on, and so far what you lot wanna use them for is rather punching bags, from experience, so i don't see the urgency in naming anyone else.
mircea_popescu: (meh, i obviously mean D = W/t).
mircea_popescu: if you call productivity time debit D, D = P/t, it's self-evident that not since the early days of csail have such Ds been seen on planet earth.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:34:33 spyked: magemagick (what I believe mp-wp uses currently?) or gimp batch processer; regardless of what is to be used, the tools *are already there*, it's the user's problem how or what he uses. I for one don't wanna use web interface for photo processing, nor did I ever intend to add this to thetarpit, nor would I stop anyone from adding them if they wish
trinque: so then, lets say freenode pings you if you haven't pinged in last x, and x happened to resemble my ping interval closely.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 15:52:02 asciilifeform: tho possibly still isn't exactly what we traditionally want. e.g. this , possibly oughta match only space-bounded strings when quoted term ?
asciilifeform: i certainly wouldn't invite anyone to pay to build such space station until thoroughly familiar with working example 'in soft'
trinque: I'd just want to know who we're selling to. ourselves isn't enough
trinque: the republic can't live correctly and expect folks to line up. the world's too far gone. money has to whip around in republic-shaped loops long enough to retrain enough human heads.
trinque: I wouldn't propose building the thing without first identifying the market.
asciilifeform: ( http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934333 is obv. exaggeration, if anyone doesn't grasp. but yer still talking about a 1ms op where normally x86 gives 1ns )
trinque: not asking "why haven't you given me x", just wondering.
trinque: the existence of mod_php isn't much of an argument either. there's mod_everything
trinque: plenty of apps needn't more
asciilifeform: and that can search from www, without cluttering chans ( my bot doesn't do PM and i intend to keep it that way )
trinque: on wot.deedbot.org I don't. it's a cut-of-the-knot approach
trinque: bv wishes not to be raised, and I shan't press the issue further.
trinque: eh "this morning's experiments" don't appear to be on a blog or otherwise documented
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 14:41:05 shinohai: Anyway, this morning's experiments show that esthlos V won't press trb correctly. Barfs on asciilifeform's numbered bitcoin vpatches, eg:
asciilifeform: trinque: the vtron may be buggy tho. ( i haven't tried personally however )
trinque: I was by no means a lisp expert when I wrote the item, so in re: languages thread, I don't think it should reflect on CL
trinque: then there's some threadism weird that I solved by lopping off, where an exception wasn't handled properly and the thread died, rest remained.
trinque: probably the situation was that most times server doesn't ping if client has already.
asciilifeform: tho possibly still isn't exactly what we traditionally want. e.g. this , possibly oughta match only space-bounded strings when quoted term ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 15:25:52 bvt: hello. seems that dns/http of p.bvulpes.com fell off -> deedbot can't produce OTPs
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934123 <-- huh, whaddaya know, that was the problem! ty, diana_coman! unfortunately baking a patch isn't as simple as "vdiff a b", because sbcl comes with binaries included. :| will get to this when I'm back home
BingoBoingo: There's also been a lot of butthurt from Argentines that the banks in Uruguay don't want to deal with them.
asciilifeform: btw in re 'countries where can't buy test button for geiger' -- is ridiculously impotent ban; all you gotta do is to (carefully!) collect dust from crt monitor screen for coupla wks, and mix into a coupla grams of epoxy. po-210, 214, 218 . (exercise for reader : how did it get there?)