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mircea_popescu: artifexd umm... i see it but not your comment.
mircea_popescu: as assbot's usage over timne has shown
mircea_popescu: the current implementation favours what is fundamewntally an erroneous view of thew wot as "one thing". it is not one thing.
mircea_popescu: which is kind-of why the "total score" nonsense is so hard entrenched.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: there is no center wot.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, a "total score" is nonsense predicated on this mistaken view.
mircea_popescu: thjere is no such thing as "one" wot.
mircea_popescu: necessarioly.
mircea_popescu: each server sends its own view, you compile what interests you.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's in the hello message.
mircea_popescu: <blockquote>
mircea_popescu: how you slice the 99% is uninteresting.
mircea_popescu: a 360 baud modem loses 99% of usenet messages out of a pipe which puts out 36kbps worth of messages continuously.
mircea_popescu: yes, because they're not signed nor crypted.
mircea_popescu: it's a chat.,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not really a log-with-chat.
mircea_popescu: if i were to connect to irc with a 360 baud modem i would similarily lose messages.
mircea_popescu: this is what the definition of "Slow" is.
mircea_popescu: it's okay for slow nodes to lose messages
mircea_popescu: because it's chat. if someone wants to log it, that's a diff story.
mircea_popescu: because not its job.
mircea_popescu: this is likely actually.
mircea_popescu: artifexd ah that's a point. my 1hour was outer limit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so ?
mircea_popescu: but basically the bundle should cover the last hour.
mircea_popescu: the messages should be kept around for a short interval (hour ?) while the user can retain them as long as he wants.
mircea_popescu: srsly, no blockchain.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile...
mircea_popescu: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/trilema.com
mircea_popescu: well i just responded...
mircea_popescu: it's down ?!
mircea_popescu: i'd lobby for that if i were a battery maker.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo soon enough there's going to be a "no half empty batteries" rule then.
mircea_popescu: artifexd i wonder if for some god-forsaken reason the shitgnomes never actually considered this obviousness.
mircea_popescu: suppose i make 50k 1btc txn. they don't fit in a 1mn block. they do fit in a 10mb block. what now ?
mircea_popescu: since one contains more txn than the other by definition.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what do you mean ? it necessarily will occur.
mircea_popescu: (if it were that simple, teh enemies wouldn't be going through all the gymnastics & eating up all the frogs)
mircea_popescu: the only way to guard against it is, obviously,for the "large" chain to maintain 1:1 identity with the "small" one. because you don't just fork bitcoin.,
mircea_popescu: the attempt may fail, but the cost to me of this failure is not significant, so i can keep on trying until it succeeds.
mircea_popescu: now i have bitcoin separated in two addresses, one for each chain.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if one block's large and the other small, all i need a tx that's included in the large block but not the small one. then doublespend it on the small one, which will be rejected necessarily by the large block blockchain
mircea_popescu: artifexd yes, it could, of course.
mircea_popescu: qui facit per alium facit per se sort of "for"
mircea_popescu: but it's for as in, "i am doing in the name of x, ie, for x"
mircea_popescu: artifexd i guess in retrospect the use of "for" was misguided. chetty warned me, too.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aye ty
mircea_popescu: is this ver's way of saying he can't afford anything bitcoin-related anymore, not even that thing in miami ?
mircea_popescu: artifexd use one more then, i answer't.
mircea_popescu: artifexd now you are on to my secret plan
mircea_popescu: i'd bet you but we can't use bitbet because it doesn't take gavin btc.
mircea_popescu: and they'll fail.
mircea_popescu: in 2016.
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: dude, it will be 5 years before anyone even figures out there's something to attack.
mircea_popescu: so then.
mircea_popescu: fwiw i wouldn't use sub 4kb keys anyway.
mircea_popescu: and it will get more eyeballs reading code on the strength of the already existing thing.
mircea_popescu: but there can be a later protocol extension covering udp
mircea_popescu: why not ?
mircea_popescu: if the owner wieshes, sure.
mircea_popescu: this is a tractor not a bullet.
mircea_popescu: we're doing this for ourselves.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do not code for your enemy lol.
mircea_popescu: that's a bit rich.
mircea_popescu: if done right, a reasonable expectation will be that any box is running it anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so ?
mircea_popescu: it is in my eyes much more valuable to have a working prototype rapidly, that then can be extended (and nothing will prevent a future client to filter traffic any way itchooses, say by accepting udp only)
mircea_popescu: another advantage to tcp is that you don't really get to care about mtus and all that.
mircea_popescu: improvements don't have to be absolute solutions to be useful. they just have to be absolute improvements.
mircea_popescu: and it's worked nothing short of splendidly for many years.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, we have a much shittier version currently,
mircea_popescu: artifexd nothing prevents the thing to be further upgraded later on.
mircea_popescu: should be obvious that model does not work. it doesn't, specifically because it caters to the idiocy it proposes very flimsily to be "against".
mircea_popescu: on a more practical angle, you will note that the various entities relying on "secrecy" are in jail, from the pirate robets to the shrem dude. even "thanking the judge for a justice well done".
mircea_popescu: sure, that much.
mircea_popescu: no, i shan't live by any entities' permission. the state will live by my permission, or go down in a hail of bullets and flame thrower exhaust.
mircea_popescu: if the state controls the field of identity it doesn't need much more.
mircea_popescu: let the derps analyze it until they fall over. this retreat of person to "anonymity" is exactly the wrong strategic moves.
mircea_popescu: artifexd more's the point, i don't specifically give a shit about "analysis"
mircea_popescu: everything can be bought of the shelf neh ?
mircea_popescu: artifexd that all depends. relativelysolved lol
mircea_popescu: it requires someone to do it correctly.
mircea_popescu: agreed.
mircea_popescu: but otherwisew this is supposed to work today.
mircea_popescu: ideally we keep away from any really dumb ideas that'd prevent moving away from the current situation
mircea_popescu: nah.
mircea_popescu: right, this is an excessive approach
mircea_popescu: srsly ?
mircea_popescu: on a lark i connect to efnet. first server simpyl fails to connect. 2nd dumps this http://pastebin.com/epe6WQBC
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: eh ?
mircea_popescu: reading the comments, this new ircd thing is actually fucking exciting.
mircea_popescu: yeah died at some point last decade
mircea_popescu: (possibly the first in the trend of white trash "do-ologists", something that's apparently coming en vogue what with all the couch surfing entrepreneurs)
mircea_popescu: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2006/Jun/843 << old lilo drama, if anyone's unsatisfied by the piles of bitcoin drama we have fresh on tap.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: such as, in medieval times punishment lists were put out in the marketplace.
mircea_popescu: i thought about it for a while, but fundamentally, wot has a lot of trouble existing independent of the forum.