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mircea_popescu: artifexd either that, or otherwise getting into a relationship with one of the people in
mircea_popescu: you know, just like "up me please" but not centrally maintained.
mircea_popescu: they even say this, the various random guys the wind blows in. "who are you ?" "nobody in particular".
mircea_popescu: because in point of fact ddddd is noone in particular.
mircea_popescu: in the case at hand, i'd know you are you, but i wouldn't know dddddd is anyone in particular.
mircea_popescu: it does, and that's exactly what;s happening, in the proper model. people chat. on that chat they build contracts. their contract history is fixed in a wot.
mircea_popescu: but more's the point : signed messages allow the world to build an adversative identity of someone.
mircea_popescu: for all you know bob is part of a 500 key ring operated by 5k monkeys.
mircea_popescu: the reason this is even specced is to provide some sanity while everyone wastes their life in that ai quest.
mircea_popescu: i am aware the inept consensus today is to think that technology can solve trust.
mircea_popescu: just like there are no mechanically generated random numbers.
mircea_popescu: with or without a key. there is no mechanical solution to trust
mircea_popescu: artifexd if you don't know bob, for all you know he's lying to you.
mircea_popescu: if you do not know bob, that assurance is meaningless anyway.
mircea_popescu: if you wish to elevate some chat to a contract, you directly can do that too.
mircea_popescu: i mean, i understand, "it's how it's done". we're here because the current paradigm is - quite fundamentally - broken.
mircea_popescu: yes stan, if you wish to have a blockchain you will end up having to implement one.
mircea_popescu: so anyone's free to implement all the caching one wants.
mircea_popescu: the less you figh entropy while still doing your job, the longer you'll live.
mircea_popescu: entropy is to be embraced. it's no surender when you manage to flow with it.
mircea_popescu: are you sure those aren't simply the resuilts of "no more central server" ?
mircea_popescu: that's why if right now i change a rating, the old one's gone.
mircea_popescu: the wot reflects wqhat things ARE. not what they were.
mircea_popescu: exactly like indicated. will exists for as long as the hand lives to enforce it
mircea_popescu: i really do not wish to hear how much some long gone loser trusts whatever long gone scammer.
mircea_popescu: present wot would benefit immensely from some dead hand cleanning as it is.
mircea_popescu: things change,you know. mayhap people you used to trust are nopw scammers
mircea_popescu: but for as long as anyone gives a shit, they'll be there.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you will find the computerized means to ensure immutability.
mircea_popescu: chat is not an instrument to permanence. it's an instrument to chat.
mircea_popescu: by the same mechanism anything of anyone's kept around in the world : your friends have copies.
mircea_popescu: anything ? they're signed by you. they're, until anyone hears better, your position.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they don't dood. how do they disappear ?
mircea_popescu: i still can't possibly see what flaw you perceive with the wot part of gossipd
mircea_popescu: what's adequate for moving currency is not adequate for moving words.
mircea_popescu: well, if you can only net once in 2 months you can only net once in 2 months.
mircea_popescu: for all you know it can even came in the shape of regular bitcoin txn.
mircea_popescu: for all you know some validly signed material from 2012 satoshi emerges tomorrow. tis what it is.
mircea_popescu: very theoretical possibility, as "the last words" are hard to fake online.
mircea_popescu: it's as good as current thing, except better cuz signed.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as my old wot is still signed with my old key, and you have a copy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, but you can sign it with yours, if you wish. which correctly reflects the situation. "here are the words of great X i attest to"