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mircea_popescu: artifexd suppose you don't reg your name, and someone comes in as artifexd and says things. should you be forced somehow to say if this is the case or not ?
mircea_popescu: and for chat it must be had. and so... it must be baked in.
mircea_popescu: artifexd my argument is that deniability must be baked in or not had.
mircea_popescu: "and then you said so and so" "um how you know this ?" "from node C" "well it lied to you"
mircea_popescu: consider a bunch of chatlogs from gossipd presented in court.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "sign for friends" outside of the model detailed in my spec.
mircea_popescu: which is why this is an ircd fork rather than whatever, just apt-get it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think you misrepresent the importance of this. currently, I can tell. *I*. Because i'm me, specifically. if you signed, so could preet.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know on reflection i'm the other way around ? i wouldn't irc with anyone i put my penis into
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lives in a submarine and never connects to you or your friends. i give him my own version of the "Artifex" key. he signs it.
mircea_popescu: if i get a fake key of you and sign it... it's good as far as the computer is concerned.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, if we keep the A B C D ; X Y Z K convention, then A can impersonate K to Y only provided B isn't linked to C that is linked to D.
mircea_popescu: technically, anyone can make a gpg key and name it Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu: he can only impersonate you to folk that don't know you.
mircea_popescu: artifexd this prevention is guaranteed by design as is.
mircea_popescu: we were discussing why it is good, and it turns out it isn't particularly, and so parsimony dictates it stays out.
mircea_popescu: artifexd you gotta get an up before you can voice. eh ?
mircea_popescu: but it'll look like obama[via lampelina] to kako. who can then go gtfo wtf you smokin beich ?!
mircea_popescu: if she starts doing evil shit like forwarding messages from obama, it'll look like obama: hey dudes, i smoke the c0k! to us,
mircea_popescu: how did lampelina come in ? kako added her to his node and said "hey, lampelina is this hot blondy I met in a bar."
mircea_popescu: artifexd either that, or otherwise getting into a relationship with one of the people in
mircea_popescu: you know, just like "up me please" but not centrally maintained.
mircea_popescu: they even say this, the various random guys the wind blows in. "who are you ?" "nobody in particular".
mircea_popescu: because in point of fact ddddd is noone in particular.
mircea_popescu: in the case at hand, i'd know you are you, but i wouldn't know dddddd is anyone in particular.
mircea_popescu: it does, and that's exactly what;s happening, in the proper model. people chat. on that chat they build contracts. their contract history is fixed in a wot.
mircea_popescu: but more's the point : signed messages allow the world to build an adversative identity of someone.
mircea_popescu: for all you know bob is part of a 500 key ring operated by 5k monkeys.
mircea_popescu: the reason this is even specced is to provide some sanity while everyone wastes their life in that ai quest.
mircea_popescu: i am aware the inept consensus today is to think that technology can solve trust.
mircea_popescu: just like there are no mechanically generated random numbers.
mircea_popescu: with or without a key. there is no mechanical solution to trust
mircea_popescu: artifexd if you don't know bob, for all you know he's lying to you.
mircea_popescu: if you do not know bob, that assurance is meaningless anyway.
mircea_popescu: if you wish to elevate some chat to a contract, you directly can do that too.
mircea_popescu: i mean, i understand, "it's how it's done". we're here because the current paradigm is - quite fundamentally - broken.
mircea_popescu: yes stan, if you wish to have a blockchain you will end up having to implement one.
mircea_popescu: so anyone's free to implement all the caching one wants.
mircea_popescu: the less you figh entropy while still doing your job, the longer you'll live.
mircea_popescu: entropy is to be embraced. it's no surender when you manage to flow with it.
mircea_popescu: are you sure those aren't simply the resuilts of "no more central server" ?