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mircea_popescu: this identity, which may be me unless i deny it, proposes he will sign a contract so and so.
mircea_popescu: take the eutherium short as a good working example.
mircea_popescu: by ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how does it fall apart ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps too ny jewish joke.
mircea_popescu: "we were going to make it, so i told the wife, go ahead and get started, i'ma grab a paper"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes o you had fun ?
mircea_popescu: haha you know the rickjles joke ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform weren;t you going to bed ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the price for this, of course, is immutability :)
mircea_popescu: just saying, kind of an engineering convention. no point in seeing too much metaphysics behind it
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: not anymore than true love,anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik no "two way" exists
mircea_popescu: the kittens eat pigeons, so... no 1149
mircea_popescu: no, that;'s bitbet.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: one could say that, and be uncharitable.
mircea_popescu: !s udp from:asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: yes, well, this is more a function of louis than anything.
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: decimation how was the experience ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think i read this.
mircea_popescu: are you 12 ?
mircea_popescu: decimation did you actually read the whole discussion ?
mircea_popescu: not before tho.
mircea_popescu: yes, once that happens, they could.
mircea_popescu: ah ah that's what you mean.
mircea_popescu: which is the low level function ?
mircea_popescu: i might be especially thick, but i don't actually understand what decimation is saying.
mircea_popescu: and impertinent at the same time!
mircea_popescu: they get gender bits retrofitted. it's a joke.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform explain transsexuals then.
mircea_popescu: this about which bit ?
mircea_popescu: (i mean, as opposed to soft. it's not like twitter, follow X. it's the opposite, "send to X")
mircea_popescu: unilateral relations are really hard.
mircea_popescu: artifexd nevertheless, since output is always encrypted to a key,
mircea_popescu: you don't really need to hear anything back from anyone.
mircea_popescu: artifexd you will notice the spec is broadcast-oriented.
mircea_popescu: tcp is hard to employ usefully.
mircea_popescu: im not entirely sure it is actually to any purpose important.
mircea_popescu: but udp is hard.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: if we were onm a purely broadcast network, it'd work right
mircea_popescu: so im guessing this is going to be forced by the medium.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, connections on the internet don't work unilaterally.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: this part is finnicky. it shouldn't, ideally, but i don't see how it could be done.
mircea_popescu: so did the pets peeking in online. but no.
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: heck, haven't felt so alive in weeks.
mircea_popescu: i must say, incidentally, i thoroughly enjoyed this discussion.
mircea_popescu: myeah
mircea_popescu: a mental place.
mircea_popescu: "group is more important than individual"
mircea_popescu: all born the same stupid place.
mircea_popescu: which is how humanity managed to inch its way to this sad time when it's about to kill itself a thousand different ways
mircea_popescu: this is specifically because, historically, the individual is more important than the group
mircea_popescu: this is not some sort of random contrivance of boredom.
mircea_popescu: historically, the closer a relation, the more direct.
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: now apply the same analysis to gossipd.
mircea_popescu: derp.
mircea_popescu: once that's in there, of course fucking nsa.
mircea_popescu: that's why.
mircea_popescu: and you wish to know why it is broken by design ?
mircea_popescu: so the fundamental statement is "the group is more important than the individual"
mircea_popescu: a destination you know nothing about.
mircea_popescu: structure it and i'll show you how it assumes it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform even the platonic.
mircea_popescu: not even deliberately, just, as a side effect.
mircea_popescu: wheras as proposed, gossipd makes the enemy outright impossible.
mircea_popescu: it is fundamentally broken and will never work exactly because it simply presumes the adversary wins.
mircea_popescu: the tor bs is an attempt to "fix" in implementation problems to whose existence it not merely contributes, but moore! whose existence it actually postulates.
mircea_popescu: nothing of the kind.
mircea_popescu: it is, unlike the tor etc bs, actually efficient.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing lukewarm about this.
mircea_popescu: this is paid for, somewhere, by someone. who is paying but me ? even if i can't show where it leeches me, it does. why should i ?
mircea_popescu: more importantly, hitler IS a lot more in that than he would be in this.
mircea_popescu: everything in the network duh.
mircea_popescu: he can not determine this.
mircea_popescu: for all he knows, they're all in cahoots, sending him lulz.
mircea_popescu: not so.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how ?
mircea_popescu: artifexd you might discover it hurts you, much like the low level usg employee who thinks the fed helps him would soon discover his lot would be better without that bit.
mircea_popescu: well yes. all the signed chats of everyone = everything. absolutely as 1 = 1.
mircea_popescu: and whence and wherefore should he have anything but nothing ?
mircea_popescu: how is giving the bum EVERYTHING lowering him in any sense ?
mircea_popescu: in both cases, we are discussing user Panopticon, who sees all and says nothing. now, in spec as is, it is true that user P will know... nothing. correct ? whereas in your proposed spec, he would know... everything. correct ?
mircea_popescu: ok, let's work a different way. let us compare two scenarios.
mircea_popescu: let's go the other way. why do you think it would so lower them ?
mircea_popescu: i think i explained it half a dozen different ways, to exhaustion, but am at a loss as to why what seems obvious is not communicating itself.
mircea_popescu: well that's the clou of the entire thing now innit.
mircea_popescu: you have his key in the initfile, and so on.
mircea_popescu: the same relation as between you and me, in the scenario.
mircea_popescu: thereby doing it all automatically.
mircea_popescu: or, if you prefer, elevating the source to the rank of a connect.
mircea_popescu: for instance.
mircea_popescu: in fact, it speciically says they are not.
mircea_popescu: that, it does. but it makes no representation they are from me.