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trinque: if he even gets an inkling
that
there's a professional computing market
that'll be useful information.
trinque: iirc another such character did pretty well bolting shiny
things
to a BSD
trinque: since gabriel_laddel reads logs,
the point was, if you're building atop linux, better actually know linux
mircea_popescu: phf im pretty sure
that if db-on-a-chip happens, it'll be mysql first. much
to
the chagrin of sane people.
trinque: phf: iirc couple companies are bolting GPUs
to postgres
too
phf: a friend of mine bought a house in san francisco last year, because he's working on "mysql chip", really an fpga
that does a bunch of mysql specific optimizations. (mostly query compilation)
trinque isn't mad at
the idea of a hardware db
mircea_popescu: ehehehe. did i mention very early
trilema was discussing
the eventual mysql chip ?
mircea_popescu: railroad bridge DOES need
to be constructed out of
toothpicks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform YOU don't. because one's ideology, ie,
theoretical insight, is a shield for
that one.
phf: asciilifeform: well,
then you're saying
things
that contradict what you claim
to know
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a) all concepts are insane ; b)
the only way
this is ever usefully established is
through prototyping.
trinque: oh, I
told him "make
the
thing" and always do
mircea_popescu: no but. everyone
talking about his own
thing! what is
this!
trinque: gabriel_laddel: it does not reproduce
the hardware!
trinque: one should have a plan
to make hardware if he intends
to do anything in computing going forward.
phf: asciilifeform:
that was an fyi. mcclim's x backend is clx, i.e. fully networked.
there's no actually ffi of any kind happening
there
trinque: this "denial as motivational mechanism"
thing is *why*
the esteemed lordship hates young men, ftr
trinque: google *will* rape
the linux out from under you
trinque: this isn't a reason not
to do it, but it describes limitations
that are unavoidable
trinque: gabriel_laddel: I called *your*
thing an emacs, figuratively. It is "chinatown", place within a place.
mircea_popescu: yes.
the "can't abstract broken software with other software" is a restatement of godel, "There may not exist specific algorithm A for any formal system F
that includes statements of certain elementary mathematical
truth as well as its own consistency so
that A will create subsystem F' which is consistent and an homology of F"
phf: asciilifeform: fwiw
there isn't actual athena in mcclim, it's a skin designed
to look
that way
gabriel_laddel: trinque: afaik, solves all
the problems with
the old one (lack of multithreading, elisp is crap etc)
phf: trinque:
there's a handful of adequate contenders, problem with emacs is
that everyone wants all
those hacky, emacs-version-specific .el files
that actually do stuff
mircea_popescu: you notice gossipd as specified is not related
to implementation yes ?
trinque: but it will be a new emacs, and I will regard it with
the same resentment
gabriel_laddel: what, you want
to design
the loper device using punch cards?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: look, we can and do hack around and get
things done in broken software everyday. If an environment exists in which one can WITH A SINGLE PROCEDURE CALL write
the "world" out
to a USB/CD/whatever it should be a plenty stable platform for whatever computations are required for new hardware.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel dun mind
the esteemed lords,
they just hate young men for
the obvious reason.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform:
the purpose of masamune is
to provide funds for
the republic (by selling
them) and a development platform from which
to build new hardware.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-19: [16:25:37] <gabriel_laddel> It is a revolt against G-d and all
that is good and
true
that
there does not exist a platform, even on UNIX
that one can buy for lisp development.
gabriel_laddel: phf: did you see
the screenshot of
the CLIM gui I wrote around portage?
mircea_popescu: phf in his defense, nobody has any fucking patience
to fuck with computers. if anyone did,
they wouldn't be learning how
to program.
trinque: asciilifeform:
they broke musl
phf: well, gabriel_laddel doesn't have
the patience
to grok
the system he's hosting on from
the user perspective, how's he going
to upkeep it from
the dev perspective?
trinque: asciilifeform: was "get_pty" something about out of ptys, where sysctl was set
to max 4096
mircea_popescu: phf not exactly back, but only in
the narrow strict sense
that we are not alone.
phf: and we're back
to naggum maintaining his own emacs
trinque: and I cannot be arsed
to care anymore
gabriel_laddel: trinque: my masamune builds are all from
the old masamune.
mircea_popescu: "civilisation" begets
totalitarianism you say ? who could have predicted!
trinque can't wait until masamune realizes
that google fucked gentoo into a million pieces
trinque: in related lul, I installed gentoo on
this here laptop
this weekend, and promptly removed it after x11
terminals couldn't be launched because /dev/pts is a magical fake filesystem with apparently myriad knobs and switches.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu:
that is correct. Hence enforcing a SINGLE hardware platform from which
to generalize.
mircea_popescu: so far other
than
the
theory of lisp,
there's no known way
to do
this other
than "somone does
the bruteforce for you on an exact copy of your machine"
gabriel_laddel: when I run into
the friend with another masamune machine
to we can now have a networked CLIM party
gabriel_laddel: dood whatever, I'm running
this example between
two masamune machines and adding it
to
the masamune manual.
mircea_popescu: but yes, your dream of "manpage magically adequate
to
the system it's on" is not entirely without dreampower.
gabriel_laddel: self-documenting hardware/software is
the ~ bare minimum ~ of civilized computing.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu:
the only way
to learn
that is by aptly named brute force.
gabriel_laddel: how am I
to know what documentation is or is not valid on various UNIXen, bsds etc
mircea_popescu: well, i
think ~all unixen reset
their cunt
the same way.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel ironically,
turns out
trinque did have a point eh.
gabriel_laddel: Thank you. A
tsmr~ ghetto with its own CLIM-web internet is now possible.
shinohai renames his interfaces
to cunt0