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punkman: I've been told bowden is
a headache, but I wouldn't know
diametric: Theres
a few that aren't, but most of them are since its
a lot of weight to move around
diametric: Just put hinges on
a part of it and you can literally wrap it around
cads: we don't want to build our next printer but we will, if we can't find
a well engineered delta printer with heated build volume
cads: hey have you given any thought to the thermal engineering that'd go into
a heated build volume for
a delta beast?
cads: Saved our butt during
a job.
diametric: I've been to SeeMeCNC's machine shop, John's
a friend of mine
cads: get it tuned up and you have
a formidable machine
[KS]: if you have enough experience, you can even evaluate the "avg lifetime worth" of
a customer, that helps price your service as well.
punkman: cads, cool stuff, haven't had
a chance to play with
a delta bot. I've built
a couple Prusas myself, calibration was kinda impossible though and I had better things to do, so I just got rid of them.
cads: it is
a delta gantry printer with
a cylindrical build volume approximately 200mm in diameter and 300mm tall -
a Rostock Max, manufactured by the awesome See-Me-CNC
cads: ThickAsThieves: that's
a very very important point to me
cads: we gave him
a part that was so strong you could club
a seal with it
ThickAsThieves: cads, even if the minimum is perceived to be more work than needed, it does
a very important thing
Mats_cd03: its
a nice round number that establishes value and leaves you with negotiating power
thestringpuller: As T-Pain would say, "Whatever I send out homie I'm
a make back. Put that on my Maybach"
cads: by complying to the flat fee they actually have to come to
a stance that it's at least fair-ish
ThickAsThieves: earlier asked about learning marketing, which is obv
a loaded question
ThickAsThieves: also have
a process for giving fair warning about extra costs
cads: maybe have
a "maker" tier design service and
a "industrial" tier
ThickAsThieves: however it's just as much
a burden on you as tge customer
cads: one thing I notice is that charging people per hour seems to throw them for
a loop
cads: with the clients I feel like just talking to them about their designs and what it would take to make them makeable means they get expert input without paying
a dime, and then they realize they can't afford the job and we're out half an hour worth of email correspondence time.
ThickAsThieves: tell them exactly what they get for
a flat rate, and what costs might be beyond that
cads: Mats_cd03: I wouldn't bill more than two hours for converting
a 2d drawing into
a part, say with one round of revision for the client.
Mats_cd03: i think theres
a sweet spot for pricing that can still be profitable for
a two man operation
cads: or they'll contact you wanting
a huge order of 300 of some small, crude looking widget
cads: they're like "well lemme go back to sketchup and see if I can make
a part that you'll say is makeable, thanks"
cads: Mats_cd03: the design service we offer is great - I have 10 years cad experience and so does my partner. And it's
a good price - 35 an hour for these low level cusomers (60 for corporate) - and where our corporate client is happy with our prices, the low level clients hate to even think of paying 35 an hour....
Mats_cd03: thought about offering
a design service?
drkow: satoshi will speak to you for
a free lunch
Mats_cd03: incidentally, you get some good networking done if you have
a decent sized lunch budget
cads: so call random companies that I know develop products, get someone medium level on the phone and then explain something like, "hey I'm cads with shopcoin prototypes, and the reason I'm calling you today is to learn
a little bit about how your company currently uses prototypes in its product design phase"
Mats_cd03: build
a site with
a nice template and short, legible URL and then start printing flyers
Mats_cd03: compile
a list of companies operating in
a space that could use your service
cads: Mats_cd03: we're
a 2 person product prototyping team with
a 3d printer and cad capability
cads: I wanna make
a site and push some calls out to some other companies, I just... currently have no idea how to do that efficiently, and every reason to learn how
pankkake: jurov: ahahah. not even
a reference to bernankoin though :(
cads: I've got
a small virtual firm, with just one client that gives us
a $1K job every couple of weeks
pankkake: "outillage" seems to be
a good keyword for finding
jborkl: well
a few oem approved from somewhere besides here
jborkl: Thank you for looking, I need to buy
a few and the price controls are tight.
Apocalyptic: benkay, btw what's your basis for the "stamp may be running
a fractional" ?
benkay: jurov kakobrekla is usd/btc sensible in the context of
a bid/ask ratio?
benkay: wow baratio that's
a new one
gribble: Error: "depth" is not
a valid command.
gribble: Error: "volume" is not
a valid command.
assbot: You cannot stop the clouds by the building of
a ship.
pankkake: you could provide
a .gitconfig wich prevents those by default
pankkake: what I've seen is: people who know each other for years, start
a company, struggle
a lot but at least they enjoy it
bounce: no, that's not the only solution. far from it. but understanding that with good management you achieve more is
a prerequisite.
pankkake: bounce: I know
a few companies like that
bounce waits for
a couple of /good/ devs and assorted other techies to team up and find themselves /competent/ management to lord it over them. that'll be the day.
VanCleef: just like having
a marketing budget
benkay: VanCleef: don't even need
a call center. just
a few effective humans somewhere cheap.
VanCleef: id love to setup
a call centre in india doing that
pankkake: I worked with
a css guy that mastered version control, it's great but indeed rare
benkay: eh i'm not so hateful about that. it's nice to have
a point at which the test branch was merged into master to point at.
pankkake: and it creates
a github merge commit
benkay: i have
a contractor whose hand needs to either be slapped or held, can't decide yet.
benkay: hey does anyone have
a concise "merge commits suck and you suck for producing them" on tap?
nubbins`: you'd probably get
a better price from
a local company, since they wouldn't have to ship the product to you
VanCleef: i have
a friend starting his clothing label looking to me to outsource it for him
nubbins`: varies based on quantity and number of colors. generally there's
a flat setup fee of $40, plus $15 for each extra color after the first
VanCleef: we're already in
a bailout bubble
nubbins`: maybe you should create
a diverse portfolio like an adult would
drkow: my girlfriend had 20k burning
a hole in her pocket and invested it at some bank last week, I can't wait for her to lose it so I can laugh
VanCleef: maybe i should sponser
a hackathon thingy
nubbins`: he paid off his student loans in three months WASHING DISHES on
a supply boat.
nubbins`: VanCleef i have
a friend who did
a 3-year ROV course at
a local college
VanCleef: i read you can make 100k working in
a laundry room on an oil rig
Namworld: But welders still get
a good pay.
VanCleef: i already have
a good job at subway
nubbins`: you can make $80k
a year just doing electrical work on
a job site
nubbins`: not sure about where you live, but there's
a nation-wide shortage of skilled tradespeople in canada
mike_c: throw
a dart at the mpex security list and invest.
nubbins`: VanCleef: well, y'know, get
a list of trades that are in demand and pick one
nubbins`: TBF i worked as
a programmer for 5 years
VanCleef: well i'm not
a technical person