asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and a different asciilifeform , who has infinite money and can locate on side, and not be constrained in iron buildout by flow of usd from day jobs, etc
asciilifeform doesn't want 'commodity vps' even for free
asciilifeform: i.e. build clone of 'amazon' using loose change budget ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: how does an automated fallback work w/ physical welded machine ? it sprouts wings and flies itself between dc's ?
asciilifeform: dafuq would be the point of (2) ? that aint a locking cage, colo'd FG, etc. who the fuck needs intermediary for this, anyone can get rando heathen isp right nao.
asciilifeform: i dun come up with these from thin air..
asciilifeform: see also stalin's 'order # 227', 28 june 1942.
asciilifeform: i dun even disagree with mp_en_viaje's drop if you can't win -- but the flip side is that must NOT surrender if still could.
asciilifeform: see, BingoBoingo , if we had pipe from antel, perhaps could buy additional capacity on temporary basis as ddosism ebbs and flows. like adults.
asciilifeform: all shoddy jobs, are paid for eventually. with interest.
asciilifeform: ( readers may recall that asciilifeform did not put BingoBoingo in montevideo, or the rack on latech )
asciilifeform: ( granted this setup was complete ~before~ asciilifeform picked up this grenade. but at the same time it was still a waiting bomb. )
asciilifeform: currently it seems to asciilifeform that we did a shoddy job in setting up the orig arrangement. and lived with it as long as did because 'appeared to work', just like we lived with phf's logger
asciilifeform: if were 'expensive' ddos , so as to saturate whole fucking oceanic pipe, would not have , elementarily.
asciilifeform: cuz , as mp_en_viaje observed, it's a 'cheap' ddos, given that BingoBoingo is still able to use net from his flat in the same town
asciilifeform: then will actually fulfill mp's orig spec of 'own fucking line, with no one to say 'we pulled you to protect our other derps' )
asciilifeform: then to hang directly off antel may be the ticket.
asciilifeform: ( antel, by request of latech, for our purposes counts as 'by latech' )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: were you able to determine whether the blackholing is perpetrated by latech or antel ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: may be worth to find out, if it can be done quickly, what would cost to hang directly from antel.
asciilifeform: it does appear that we're currently 2, rather than 1 , steps down from the orcistani national pipe.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what means 'own incoming line' here ?
asciilifeform: conceivably, in the 'borderlands' -- both.
asciilifeform: in fuckholistans, the boxen will be electrically molested ; in 'civilized' -- physically.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm not even convinced that there ~is~ a 'sane choice of location' .
asciilifeform: and ftr asciilifeform suspects that this story will end with mp_en_viaje asking asciilifeform to hand in his bicord. wat good is an admiral w/out a fleet ? like miklos horthy ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho, BingoBoingo oughta carefully discuss w/ mp , ~before~ (and not as last time, after) talk w/ latech.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if we were hosting gossipd nodes instead of public www's and irc bots, then indeed wouldn't matter that 90% of our ip block at any given time is awol. could simply walk it until connects to noad via the remaining. but we aint..
asciilifeform: before this escapes >> read it, and looked useful, until got to the part where python3.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mno. during ddos, whole pipe was dead. whereas atm e.g. uy1 loads, ditto ossasepia, but not dulap or qntra
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: elementarily suggests that it wasn't done via bgp.
asciilifeform: a 'civilized solution', to be absolutely pedantic , includes both 1+2. i.e. nomoar blackholing, AND pipe that is reasonably weather-resistant.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: make it clear when you talk to latech, that if we cannot get a civilized solution and a guarantee out of'em, we're through. and will have to start evacuation of boxen. (not that there's anywhere to put'em, or likely to be any time soon.)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do you imagine that folx will subscribe to a 'you might have to flip your ip erry 4hrs' isp ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's being attacked is the very idea of tmsr isp, rather than a particular box.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is why enemy picked piz to start with, rather than e.g. lobbes's heathenisp box ( which cost him 0 aside from monthly cost and can simply move , erry day if he likes ) or mp_en_viaje's (which is 9000x oversupplied with pipe and he can also move at very little loss to whatever new isp)
asciilifeform: ddosism i suspect will follow all attempts to build republican isp. and will appear at the maximally effective time, i.e. when resources have already been sunk into buildout, long-term contracts with pipe seller signed, etc
asciilifeform: for ~4hrs last night, had just the former. but it was enuff to make the pipe ~unusable.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we have 2 separate problems. ddos and latech.
asciilifeform: he had also this idea but it will have to be done by someone else, asciilifeform already spent most of what he had on the attempt to build piz.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sadly mp_en_viaje already wrote an article re sane solution ( gossipd. )
asciilifeform: re ddos ( supposing to take latech's word for the assertion that it ~is~ a ddos , rather than pipe provider playing dulap-I-style games ) -- fact of the matter, it dun cost very much to saturate a 200Mb/s pipe.
asciilifeform: it's only a solution to a problem we ought not be having at all, in re the latech retardation.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nope. but this is not a solution, given that whole pipe shuts down ea. time
asciilifeform: and dun fughet to mention that they are in breech of contract.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: apparently the latech folx were dropped as babies, so you may have to draw'em a picture. explaining that if they continue in this vein, and we leave, they will not be paid.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you know what very well what to answr.
