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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i only pointed out, that microshit's nintendo ecosystem is in fact 'friendlier' to illicit devs than crapple's.
ben_vulpes: lurking assumption is that it is possible to bring sanity to the compilation and signing process.
trinque: the only correct broomstick move is not to sit
ben_vulpes: am i to reverse engineer which endpoint they want it at every time they upgrade "app uploader" or swizzle the delivery pipeline?
mircea_popescu: they moved from binary through anal and now they only accept the banal.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: last i was embroiled in iphonism, circa '10 or so, they only wanted a binary submission
asciilifeform: so there is no reason why it could not, in principle, be done for crapple.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i've built winblows kernel drivers, for example, without a winblows box or any microshit software (yes, incl. the rsa signature)
ben_vulpes: and if you think you can do that with not-the-latest-xcode-and-os i have a build here that needs sucking through apple's garden hose
trinque: it's still the only portable not made of garbage
ben_vulpes: for the reprehensibly obstinate and misc log readers the only reason one could possibly *need* an apple box were if one came from such a bad life that producing builds for apple's walled garden was a regular requirement
asciilifeform: got a few of these also !
asciilifeform: (multiple, actually, rooms, but this is merely detail)
ben_vulpes: we've disposed of this "laptop" "need" right?
mircea_popescu: do they mean the what, the religious enlightenment when it became dubious to have free sex ?
asciilifeform: i have a box here very similar to ben_vulpes's, 'mb pro' circa may '16. it is now probably running the same sw as when it will go to junkyard.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why the everliving fuck not ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you know that's not how things work
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: From "awake" related to the socialist left's SEW "Light Enlightenment Again!!!" wing
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: alarm bell here rang weeks ago, Just Say No to the 'upgrade'
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: "wokeness" is degree of buy-in to socialist dribble
ben_vulpes: aaand, for no discernable reason, since the 10.?? -> 10.999 os x upgrade, bringing emacs to the front ROUTINELY results in multi-second beachballs, and emacs is now losing locks to itself
trinque: ben_vulpes: oh the shit I never hear used in a sentence living in TX
a111: Logged on 2015-08-13 16:26 asciilifeform: vendors want the 0day market to be a 'tournament market'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-13#1237168 << see thread. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i am grossly familiar with wokeness theatrics
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/LnEXk >> somehow this never gets old, 'let's give our 0days to usgapple, usgmicroshit, etc. for pennies on the dollar' yet-again
asciilifeform: rat, imho, is better company than roach. (incidentally, i was walking in a 'posh' neighbourhood in washington, and saw -- what no one will believe, THOUSANDS of rats, not even around a rubbish pile, but in hedges, right in the earth, SWARMING)
mircea_popescu: evolutionary biology contradicts this hope. mankind is essentially an overgrown rat.
asciilifeform: the way i pictured bitcoin is that it is attempt at experimentally testing the hypothesis that some men are -- men, others -- roaches who were dropped into wrong bin by mistake
asciilifeform: it imho is intrinsically insectronic, it rewards bare-crumb epsilon-+ev chasing insects at the expense of men.
mircea_popescu: (kinda a large part of what is propelling the idiot parade - by now they've realised that in point of fact a fork is inevitable, what varies is the when. we can't carry the satoshi warts forward forever.)
asciilifeform in particular would like to see more thought re the 'mining is a curable disease' direction.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with making a general map of ib, discussions here tend to return to it now and again.
mircea_popescu: infinitely more valuable than continuing to pretend the various redditards are "developers" and "involved" in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: why ? i'd rather have a cs-based bicoin with the described node-miner issues resolved (as described)
asciilifeform: that, as i understand, is the 'nuke' on the rocket, it works best by derps being 'shown the instruments of torment' rather than by setting off
mircea_popescu: anyway. if we were to bother with this we'd best fix all the other problems too, so the current miners wouldn't be able to mine trb anyway.
mircea_popescu: just as long as i pay 700 bux to the trb, it's not going anywhere. ☟︎
asciilifeform: for my education, describe the mechanics -- e.g., mircea_popescu will mine it himself ?
mircea_popescu: it isn't true, for one thing ; if it is true, however, the the separation is there.
mircea_popescu: this is connected. simmer down and stop confusing yourself. you said : <asciilifeform> going briefly upstack, my understanding is that this particular batch of forkolade is effectively 'hard', in that no trb-generated tx is likely to be mined. and i said <mircea_popescu> if it is, whatever, we'll release a proper trb and they can all go hang. im pegging it.
asciilifeform: which seems like 'nobrainer', they have no reason to accept'em that fits in their 1-neuron roach brains.
asciilifeform: and, unconnectedly, there is the problem of 'miners collectively refuse signed txen'
asciilifeform: to have separate market, as in 'x prb == y trb coin', they gotta be circulatable separately
mircea_popescu: it's really just building prb complexity for no benefit. i can directly pay to them, they can't pay to me without adding an intermediate step where they desegwit.
asciilifeform: in that, unless you run the deliberate separator funnel described in 'missile crisis', your own stash becomes entangled in both forkchains
asciilifeform: this, as i understand, means to launch the rockets
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to peg as in a currency, 1 trb = 1 prb to start. may devalue as time goes by of course.
mircea_popescu: it has perfectly fine chances to fizzle in the ver fashion, where some dorks somewhere keep insisting this thing is happening.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's rather simple : i won't upgrade, this means i'm not recognizing segwit txn until they are bridged over.
asciilifeform: it is not, admittedly, clear to me whether they are palpably aware of the cost of such a move.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i thought breitbart was << It's a transitional state, sorta a turning over of the compost pile this year.
trinque: "if they could" is operative there
asciilifeform: just as american airlines would remove passenger's legs if they could.
asciilifeform: in their single-neuroned brain, 'sort by fee' + 'no sigs' >ev> 'sort by fee' plain.
trinque: it'd be worth thinking about how sort-by-fee affects that.
asciilifeform: cockroach goes to where the sugar is.
asciilifeform: it would appear to be true, in that chinese cockroach can pack more sigless txen into a block than proper ones.
mircea_popescu: if it is, whatever, we'll release a proper trb and they can all go hang. im pegging it.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure this isn't true.
asciilifeform: (no moar mining of tx containing actual signature, vs 'anyone-can-spend' crapolade.)
asciilifeform: going briefly upstack, my understanding is that this particular batch of forkolade is effectively 'hard', in that no trb-generated tx is likely to be mined.
asciilifeform: ( the other prong of the front is the attempt to make trb difficult to use reliably by preventing effective quarantine of derp nodes and their tx)
asciilifeform: creating 'kakos' with emotional buy-in on account of their entire stash being bound up in the spider silk
asciilifeform: the prb gambit, as far as i can tell, is to siphon as much coin as possible into a must-use-prb parallel world
asciilifeform: i was about to 'do we have rockets ROLLING OFF CONVEYER LIKE SAUSAGES!111' yet
mircea_popescu: anyway. it significantly weakens trb, which they're more than welcome to.
asciilifeform: (and incidentally i suspect that you do not need anything like 51% for demolition of 'segwit' and other 'soft' idiocies, but just enough to feedback 'arse-mouth' and buy moar cycles immediately)
asciilifeform: well it also has to remain unorphaned, just like any other
mircea_popescu: so you know, they can do it again later on.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, a 51% attack doesn't even have to skin the lamb. it can just fleece it (respend all the segwit coins up to point x, retroactively invalidating any txn that ever rely on their proceeds) AND THEN agree to "never to process counter txn" for the future.
asciilifeform: to paraphrase barnum, it is quite difficult to lose money when betting on the poverty of redditards aggregate.
asciilifeform: alternatively, can putter along like the timelock crap, with the pot always just-below the magical threshold for +ev.
mircea_popescu: im sure nobody had the sense to create a "total payout to defecting miners" watch, because hey, they're "developers" not thinkers. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the dorks built themselves a ratchet-charged capacitor. eventually it scintillates.
mircea_popescu: well, it slowly builds, until the miners defect. ☟︎
asciilifeform: was subj of thread, 'how up'
mircea_popescu: obviously that money's up for grabs.
asciilifeform: (summary: usg's most recent attempt to pound in the cock 'halfway', 'segwit', consists of prb churning out txen that result in 'anyone can spend' from trb pov, but miners are to 'agree never to process counter-softforkian tx', a la 'timelock' etc)
asciilifeform: (mostly unrealatedly, and strictly for the entomologically-inclined, mega-derp in old #b-a re phork warz etc.)
asciilifeform: just that it was an educational moment, when i first thought about why.
asciilifeform: i do not find it puzzling ~today~ that he needed it.
mircea_popescu: hitler needed money for the exact same reason henry 2 needed it : so as to make the nobles compete.
asciilifeform: (as a boy, when i read that a messerschmitt-whatever cost R reichsmarks, it blew my mind, 'why did hitler need money ?!??')
asciilifeform: other than this, it is an elementary, kindergarten 'you can't eat money' observation
mircea_popescu: yes, the spin changes are time-limited.
mircea_popescu: ah yes. if only state had a dozen whores on the ground in stevastopol in 2006, they wouldn't have been humiliated in 2014. or at any rate wouldn't have wasted bn trying to grow a child in nine weeks.
mircea_popescu: military commanders are very keenly aware of this spin factor of "money" which they call resources.
asciilifeform: well, if these were convertible to swiss franks, and then into swedish steel in '42, or american petrol in '40, there would have been no 'bunker moment'.
mircea_popescu: "that's nice... but if there were any gasoline those billiards could buy, we'd have requisitioned it already, so..."
mircea_popescu: imagine as he sat in the bunker listening to the first artillery bombardments audible from berlin, hitler got a wire from bundesbank that the venusians just deposited 11 billiards marks in the eternal reich's account.
mircea_popescu: which goes right back to the issue : they have -2 currency, it's not realised. and it has a long way to go to +2.
mircea_popescu: this is then a systematic reason, which a certain sort of esl anthropologist would call "cultural", but which can be readily brought back to money : because the only dollars they have can be used to pay rents, but they don't have the kind of bill that pays for engineers.
mircea_popescu: "because that is the nature of the beast", evidently. still..
asciilifeform: it is wholly orthogonal to their extraction model
asciilifeform: same reason they don't hire competent, e.g., jet pilot, for sv startup
mircea_popescu: to some degree because some tasks are so idiotic the sane people wouldn't accept them for all the money in the workd. but then why do the tasks have to be that idiotic ?
mircea_popescu: so why didn't they ?
mircea_popescu: but really, they... couldn't ? obviously, in point of fact they didn't, and the assumption that didn't because couldn't is sound, but nevertheless, you can actually hire competent engineers.