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asciilifeform: re: imagination: gedankenexperiment time. let's imagine that i imagine there's a cleaner way to solve sha(Y)=X than brute force. i pursue this line of inquiry, and the imagined turns into the actual.
Duffer1: I'd say given the state of affairs worldwide the non-visible muppets aren't good at much either
francis_wolke: asciilifeform: A while back you mentioned that the rulers of today are only good at misleading the public. I agree that the *visible* rulers are good at this - but can't imagine someone like Ben Bernanke caring so little about his future that the stupid are allowed to rule.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the problem is more like this : if i give you a debt package, there will be a cost to evaluate its value. if that cost likely exceeds its value, you may opt to just throw the whole thing away.
francis_wolke: mircea_popescu: I don't.
francis_wolke: asciilifeform: I have not drawn my conclusions r.e. the janissaries based on propaganda. At least, I'm not aware of doing so.
asciilifeform: i.e. the six or so global telecoms with de-facto control over the net could switch it off like a lamp. (provisions against this scenario are quite feasible, but no one has cared to consider much less make them.)
Duffer1: the article attributes control of bitcoin to those hoarding the most, i was pointing out the power is in the hash
MisterE: hmm yea if I had the most hashpower
MisterE: but why? I assume most miners no reason to deceive?
asciilifeform: i can make 1TH look like 1,000 1GH lamers. and so can you, and so can any spammer. ☟︎
Duffer1: i can't speak about the historical finance part, but pretty much everything written about bitcoin itself is flat out wrong
francis_wolke: Duffer1: I transcribed it from a piece of paper I found lying on the ground.
francis_wolke: asciilifeform: Also, thanks for keeping up the blog. I would have not learned about the LispM otherwise.
francis_wolke: asciilifeform: I'm not aware of any others, but if you've got a reading list...
francis_wolke: jurov: RLE is still a while off, and millitary power dosn't cease to exist b/c Bitcoin. I'm sure that neither Peter Theil, or MP have any particular love for their respective governments. But they're not stupid and recognize that if some elite is going to extend their lifespans, they may need protection.
francis_wolke: jurov: I mean, yeah - but do we have actual numbers?
jurov: for example i can't imagine our resident billionaire, mircea_popescu to rely upon government protection
jurov: spooks are going to show up on their doorstep... sry if i came late and don't understand but why?
francis_wolke: [Note: I appear to be unable to use this irc client. I held down backspace for 30 sec, couldn't navigate to any other text and revised my message. I post, and viola - my previous message is also posted! Apologies to anyone reading this diarrhea.]
francis_wolke: benkay: Also, I fail to see how bitcoin will 'shatter' any state. Millitary power is meaningful, no matter how clever the Bitcoin protocol.
benkay: but hey you're a lisper so i likely won't get downright mean
benkay: also your feelings don't really factor into whether or not i take you to the woodshed
francis_wolke: benkay: Please, crucify me. I'm not going to get pissy or anything.
francis_wolke: Apocalyptic: Personally, I'm digging life, and would like to continue it for as long as possible.
Apocalyptic: will let mircea comment on that, i'm sure he will have interesting things to say
Apocalyptic: i wonder what advantage do you seen in the creator aligning with a government
benkay: halp i'm frying too much potato
francis_wolke: Interesting quote. Apologies for the extra \n - I don't know how they got there between copying from emacs and pasting into the irc client.
kakobrekla: i dunno who did what or who did who or what did who but i have the banhammer and i dont like your style.
Diablo-D3: hahaha I just trolled kakobrekla
kakobrekla: BUT I WANT.
kakobrekla: are we again playing 'i want' game?
Diablo-D3: but if this happened in congress, I'd want both the guy being hit and the guy hitting to be both expelled
punkman: I think we should have more politician brawls
Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: I never said the USA was a democracy
kakobrekla: myea i guess so
davout: "how the fuck has this been trading at 0.002" <- I WTF'd
mircea_popescu: FabianB good to see the mkt is actually healthjy, i had a moment of panic.
mircea_popescu: i guess they killed mtgoxusd but not eur
mircea_popescu: ah i just looked at bitcoincharts basket
mircea_popescu: i guess everyone was slacking
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: I realize coinmarketcap actually wants number of coins, not number of blocks. I fixed it, replace "blocks" by "coins" in the URL I gave you
BingoBoingo: I'll make sure the photoshop shames Box of Fans Labs itself.
BingoBoingo: I wonder how long people could be strung along on a time machine pre-order though.
BingoBoingo: I just regret that one of the hot active threads when I started was the Usagi == Scammer thread back before Deprived did a runner.
BingoBoingo: I missed the era of the stupid controlling an actual portion of the BTC monetary mass.
BingoBoingo: I should have started a lot earlier
Vexual: i thought my cat was somewhere eating things...
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Maybe lock your cat in the closet and if I keep responding on IRC, you can by empiricism demonstrate I am not your cat.
Vexual: yar, i don't know what im doing
BingoBoingo: Vexual, I may or may not be your cat in disguise
BingoBoingo: pankkake: I wouldn't be surprised if kakobrekla is waiting for the drop to fire up the Buttfuries
pankkake: I wonder how many have stopped mining atc waiting for the diff to come down
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm ready to see what I can do by the Ides of March
BingoBoingo: Vexual: It worked out, because there were Sherpas in the group I traveled to Chicago with. Nobody handles sick ghostfaces better than Sherpas.
BingoBoingo: I mean they built their downtown around an open sewer
Vexual: yeah i now that, if hes buying millies he should know about the whole country
BingoBoingo: Which is why I made a stab in the dark thinking someone who offered the question might have had the name in mind.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea whatsoever, just guessing
moiety: bound to have been a Robin too then.... ok, I'm satisfied
moiety: sorry delayed response: Vexual: it's a national vote, i don't think they let you email it in
BingoBoingo: I actually had a neighbor named Batman once.
BingoBoingo: Vexual: I mean how many peopl in Gotham can afford Batman tools? Maybe 5-10?
BingoBoingo: Huh, looks like I should have put more money on Slovenia than I did.
Vexual: i dunno
Vexual: how the fuck am i goona play bb with 100k?
Vexual: i eamil secretarys when i need something done; infinitely fore effective
moiety: i got enrolled to vote for independence
moiety: i think harry wouldve been better
moiety: if charles was to go and be king, he would have to give up all his Duke of Edinburgh responsibilities etc. He has balls, what I'm meaning is he couldn't do what *he* wanted specifically
moiety: i think you misunderstood what i was saying
moiety: i wouldn't be so sure. i'm convinced they have her on a trolley
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well I mean the queen spent the last 8 years at least able to walk, and not simply on display in the produce department
Vexual: i should get lauxev.com for lolz
moiety: i have THE best email address BingoBoingo :D palindrome email address almost
moiety: i only ever bought hosting with that, tipped the rest to other people
moiety: plus remember bingo, i was being paid it before, i had no need to buy
moiety: I've never managed to buy it yet because of one problem or another
moiety: i'm just entirely fed up of the hassle
BingoBoingo: My favorite part of ATC trading is it is like all of the trading I have ever done.
moiety: i spend all my time telling others not to bother lol
BingoBoingo: Of course. I mean it wouldn't be worth it to copy the Doge profiteers and whore myself out in the name of Moon.
BingoBoingo: I'll see what I can do.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm just thinking if you have a target sort of gain I should shoot for.
Vexual: fuck a man with a plan is the last thing i need
Vexual: i made 10% yesterday, who are we taking it from?
BingoBoingo: So... I made about a 200% gain selling the bulk of my Altcoin today.
moiety: april/may time i think
moiety: it was last april it was low wasn't it? i remember
moiety: i just looked it up, i don;t actually need a loan, i just need to know how to buy now
benkay: i dunno moiety, you might be able to talk your way into a zero interest loan
moiety: that's very kind and i would normally, but I'm not in a position to give myself deadlines at the moment BingoBoingo
Vexual: i thought how in all probability noone alive on earth today bought that newspaper
moiety: yay i can read again
moiety: i hope so
moiety: no i got all mine booked up last month Vexual
MisterE: personally, if it's a win box I'd take it offline and boot up with a scanner boot disk
moiety: wow MisterE good to see. it did try to get me to d/l something but i cancelled it. will i be ok?
mircea_popescu: i knew a girl that loved it, then got raped for being white, aged about 15,