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mircea_popescu: nubbins` there was this guy tryhing to get
a music festival going earlier.
fluffypony: nubbins`: is that for trimming the edges off
a stack of magazines/posters/whatever?
Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> if gribble decides to lie much more is fucked than the log // he has
a point
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know sooner or later you'll have to make the plunge and learn how to make
a bot
ThickAsThieves: nanotube, what if you just post
a file of the historical log
nanotube: haha well, doesn't sound like
a great reason :P. but yea anyone's welcome to join -otc-ratings and log.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: but then we're back to what davout said, solving
a problem that doesn't exist
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> "Obviously,
a criminal justice system that punished only those who volunteered for punishment was unworkable << this is what the contemporary thinks.
HeySteve: imposing costs for certain actions turns the WoT into something of
a business, I'd favour that way to limit spam
ThickAsThieves: if db bloat is
a real problem, then treat it like backups, 1 yearly, 1 monthly, 1 weekly, 1 daily
fluffypony: nanotube: if I get
a bit of time I can make the changes and submit
a PR?
davout: fluffypony: also you're trying to solve
a problem that doesn't exist
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves, davout: why not? what's the use-case for multiple changes
a day?
nanotube: well it's not
a bad idea generally speaking, just isn't how it happens presently. :)
Apocalyptic: "New York - La banque américaine JPMorgan Chase est en train de fermer les comptes bancaires d'actuels et d'anciens dirigeants hauts placés non-américains et de diplomates,
a-t-on appris mardi auprès d'une source proche du dossier"
HeySteve: spamming changes could bloat the archive, it might be good to have
a time limit or cost
punkman: I remember seeing
a link for dowloading the data in bulk on -otc.com, was it deprecated?
fluffypony: nanotube: why don't you insert ratings into the table instead of updating them, and then just use
a subquery to group by rated_user_id / rater_user_id when getting data?
ThickAsThieves: "Obviously,
a criminal justice system that punished only those who volunteered for punishment was unworkable
Dimsler: someone put
a pic up of my house on google images
HeySteve: :D well here we don't quite agree, but yes it's
a good debate to have
mircea_popescu: but anyway, since we're doing great covnersation : someone should write an essay on the possibility - in principle - of distinguishing between "common good" and "groupthink". writer out criteria, give me
a method, break that shit up.
ThickAsThieves: discounting as
a method is always
a poor method of marketing
HeySteve: well, there is
a collective good. individuals function within social boundaries
mircea_popescu: to
a large degree it already is, in the offices that matter anyway.
ThickAsThieves: couldnt it just be
a separate WoT that had one real WoT account for integration?
HeySteve: Apocalyptic, fair enough it's
a fuzzier boundary
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yeah but it hasn't been purely for -otc since gribble first appeared on
a non -otc channel
HeySteve: ThickAsThieves, what if to send Bitcoin to
a WoT-registered party cost less in transaction fees than sending it to someone unregistered?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves are people who will sell you
a house/car but not sign
a contract also part of the real estate/car markets
HeySteve: I'm thinking there's
a whole raft of WoT-related improvements only possible with some degree of hierarchial organisation
chetty: I suppose the whole internet functions as
a punishment gazette
ThickAsThieves: i suppose there is
a more broken up punishment gazette, the blogosphere and forums etc
ThickAsThieves: so
a roaming criminal never gets jailed cuz he doesnt recognize the authority?
ThickAsThieves: it is whether it makes sense for it to be
a requirement
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> you see, if the WoT is
a punishment gazette, since when do criminals register for such themselves? << since forever. read up on "peine forte et dure" ?
mircea_popescu: <davout> ThickAsThieves: i wonder if that's really
a good idea << i don't think it is.
davout: ThickAsThieves: if i wanted to argue the opposite i'd say criminals that aren't in the wot weren't part of the economy in the first place, so that would be
a non-issue
kakobrekla: fluffypony theres
a chan on freenode which prints all changes
ThickAsThieves: you see, if the WoT is
a punishment gazette, since when do criminals register for such themselves?
davout: ThickAsThieves: i wonder if that's really
a good idea
ThickAsThieves: not that this is
a 'problem' but i'd also like to see
a way to rate entities which haven't registered in the WoT yet
chetty: fixing things which are not broken is
a serious disease, and its contagious
ThickAsThieves: <+HeySteve> right, I get it. I am trying to finetune the WoT system without fixing what ain't broke. this is
a definite point of improvement /// you are fixing it by making something, or fixing your brain?
mircea_popescu ponders that DrewPistols would be
a pretty decent stripper name.
DrewHorne: be back later, yall have
a good one
mircea_popescu: indeed, adding
a history of past ratings would be
a good idea.
HeySteve: right, I get it. I am trying to finetune the WoT system without fixing what ain't broke. this is
a definite point of improvement
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, so this then creates
a more comprehensive gazette?
DrewHorne: so i could earn trust by either performing
a task for someone and demonstrating competency or by purchasing something from someone with bitcoin and just paying them immediately and correctly
fluffypony: DrewHorne: not really in any centralised/managed fashion, this isn't
a /r/jobs4bitcoins :-P
DrewHorne: seems to be more of
a buy/sell log
DrewHorne: seems like there would be
a way to archive tasks?
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne kinda what we're trying to work out atm. there is
a wiki, but not too fleshed out yet
HeySteve: how beneficial would
a permanent record of such trust relationships be?
DrewHorne: the first thing that popped out from the log was "mircea_popescu:incidentally, it occurs to me someone should do
a topic summary of this channel. what have we been discussing today, music, heaters, beating small children, points of history of cryptography academic publications minutia, radiobiology"
mircea_popescu: like above the history phd bit. obviously useless to you, as youre no historian by trade, but we are
a diverse bucnh with diverse needs.
mircea_popescu: pankkake it does have
a chilling effect, because sometimes i'm hesitant to update very old ratings, and just let them be "good enough"
pankkake: it's too bad that you only see the last update of
a rating. I feel like it has value to know when it appeared first
DrewHorne: successful morning for someone not well versed in the bitcoin space, im
a fast learner
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne anyway,
a good step forward, now people could rate you.
fluffypony: pankkake: yeah - to
a large degree, investors don't *necessarily* have the knowledge to be in the space the business is operating in (otherwise they'd be in the space), so they're just proffering an opinion
DrewHorne: thats fine, it was my only option as
a voiceless
mircea_popescu: at the very most tyhe management could solicit nonbinding opinions from holders, there's
a mpex mechanism for doing this embedded in some listing agreements,
mircea_popescu: because you couldn't afford to let
a physical tractor go to waste, as
a society.
mircea_popescu: chetty exactly. but in the old days of imperfect economy, people actually had to have
a backchannel, and take over the tractor or whatever it was
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you read the original thread of the sdice listing, the same sort of derpage was raised by the losers vocal there. amoing
a pile of other "good and considered" reasons not to invest.
mircea_popescu: voting rights are nonsense in bitcoin anyway. what the fuck are they going to do, get
a confederatied majority and... what, oust you ? take over ?
fluffypony: what's the rationale behind investors getting voting rights if they cumulatively own like 10% or 20% of
a company? doesn't that seem redundant?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, if any of you is fucking
a history major on the side... maybe it's time for her phd.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that there could be
a better one, should get magna.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this could be
a phd thesis for
a history student in
a good uni.
mircea_popescu: yeah. unlike
a historian, it has the invaluable advantage that people present in the deepest strata of history are still around today, and they can say either "ah, that one point is fucking stupid, forget it" or the contrary.
fluffypony: yes - to satisfy the noobs and if correctly tagged and annotated it's
a searchable repository of information
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: just readin logs atm, looks like drew came by with quite the edm business proposal. mp's flowers must have put him in
a fabulous mood because he's !downed newcomers for less << someone should sometime do
a comparative study of how noobs fare in here.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: mpex drop? << yeah it like, plunged
a few days ago. it actually does this, probably to mess with mike trying to understand the news impact.
mircea_popescu: i don't think there ever existed or could ever exist
a functioning society in which nursing jobs are to be discounted because too little demand and too many people wanting to do it.
mircea_popescu: and you know, soime people want to do
a certain thing.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: if she speaks English, why doesn't she look at the TEFL stuff and similar? I have
a friend in Cape Town who teaches English via Skype to foreigners, she doesn't have to speak
a foreign language, just has to be able to speak English