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shinohai: Indeed pete_dushenski ...
though I use a combo of both xD
Framedragger: asciilifeform: seems
that i can make it open 80/tcp, but it won't give me any data
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: after laocoon was getting connect/disconnect blackholed about a week ago i
threw down
the banhammer as well as manually banning some decently large ip ranges
that were acting
the fool. now very slowly catching up
to full height but down from ~70 connex
to ~15.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-19 14:30 mircea_popescu: ok so you aim
to
take some data from phuctor, integrate it with some data you already have, and perhaps with other data you can obtain, and present it conveniently ?
Framedragger: ($afk item #1 is "coffee grinder is a bit shit and requires force, i don't want
to use force in my mornings.") :)
Framedragger: okay, i'll sit on it, meanwhile have $afk stuff
to do, and i'll update next week re. what i'd like
to work on, if anything.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger if you wanna do data visualisations,
the
thing
to do is
the wot explorer.
that i actually miss.
Framedragger: that's
true!
this wouldn't be anything amazeballs.
mircea_popescu: often
though i'm happy with just a bash. i
think like once i actually wanted sql syntax
mircea_popescu: Framedragger ok but if one actually wants
to sql on it, dumping it in a
table isn't much work.
Framedragger: i guess another
thing is, it would be nice for #trilema folx
to be able
to
test
their own phuctor-related hypotheses without having
to download all
the data. but, it's not as if it's exabytes of data or anything...
mircea_popescu: yeah but by now it includes so much we actually wnat
to structure it ;/
Framedragger: i mean,
tbh i should give asciilifeform
those banners. VPS DB idea can wait.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you want
to integrate it
there. and next week someone observes really Y
thing should also be and you're unbound.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i know - i hope
to have
time next Wed
to look into
this
mircea_popescu: i dun wanna have
to resolve record matching every
time i want
to query
the joint set.
mircea_popescu: this, as an evolutionary superset of "i'll just dump a db of banners and you're more
than welcome
to match yourselves" ?
Framedragger: i suppose a more simplistic
thing
to do would be for me
to fish out
those banners, convert into decent format if needed, and
to give
to whoever wants :)
mircea_popescu: ok so you aim
to
take some data from phuctor, integrate it with some data you already have, and perhaps with other data you can obtain, and present it conveniently ?
☟︎ Framedragger: again i screwed up re. phrasing. i'd import
the banners from
the data i have.
Framedragger: well, you wanted
to run, say, DISTINCT on banners. it sure would be great
to do it in a non-hacky way, and for others
to allow
to do
the same, no?
mircea_popescu: so if grep already allows me
to do
this... what are you doing ?
Framedragger: so
there would be no decision making needed as regards user friendliness / abstract buttons
Framedragger: mircea_popescu:
the first 'portal' would allow users
to run read-only sql queries.
mircea_popescu: the part i don't follow is where isn't
this a waste of your
time ? you seem
to be
trying
to do something akin
to "i will create a gui atop
this command line". ok... how will you guess aforehand what buttons people want
to push ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yes, if by pipe you mean, bulk-import into VPS, not
torture phuctor's own db 24/7.
Framedragger: i'm unclear what
to do with 'live data feed', but i don't
think it's a problem. it could just sync with phuctor at
timed intervals.
mircea_popescu: so you want
to pipe data from phuctor
to a vps, and display it
there ?
Framedragger: ah - i wasn't clear. db would live on
this VPS.
Framedragger: second 'portal' would be more simplistic and would, first off, be a simple way for me
to present some non-gimmicky visualizations, e.g. what asciilifeform suggested some months ago.
Framedragger: hosts
the phuctor data - p, q, e - and metadata - including country codes from geoip where applicable.
Framedragger: there would be, as per my current plan,
two 'portals'. one would expose
the db (postgres). current plan:
ths would use phppgadmin. it's maintained and stable. user would make use of a read-only db role. so you could run sql queries on
the whole
thing. "whole
thing" = sql schema which
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose he reloads
the phucked page every
time he gets a rss feed which doesn't include items he already has.
mircea_popescu is amused how
the collection of crap pisses off someone particularly. dns, rss, if it ends in s it's shit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ideally he gets
the phucked page once and
then follows rss.
mircea_popescu: for starters, explain it
to me. so what do i do
there ?
Framedragger: okay - i wanted not
to over-commit, but
this is indeed pretty damn vague. will
think and amend.
mircea_popescu: not
terrible, has all
the needed parts except "which shall provide a platform for
those interested in analysing RSA keys and
the surrounding metadata collected and provided by Phuctor" could benefit from (such as : by x, and y, and z) as it's currently not even vaguely clear what i could do on
that platform.
mircea_popescu: should be judged on
terseness not on bureaucratic notions of value ("it's long! and full of platitudes! let's count
the platitudes!")
mircea_popescu: slippery slope, "and iof
the internet runs away i'll
try and run after it, and if it rains i;ll wear umbrellas and..."
mircea_popescu: not really
the place
to discuss contingencies i dun
think.
Framedragger: (transparent about
the fact
that hosting resource expectations are preliminary.)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: asking for advice - should i include a note
that should additional hosting resources be needed during
the 12 month period, an additional grant (it'd include supporting data of course) may be sought? just
to be
transparent?
mircea_popescu: it is quite possible mod6 's
ticket infrastructure eventually
turns into
the hiring interface we were discussing yest.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger could be, and mod6 is also working on making private
ticket
trees and other
things
jhvh1: shinohai:
The operation succeeded.
Framedragger: it's nice
to be able
to have a virtual box for cheapsies - can be migrated
to bare metal when
the
time comes.
mircea_popescu doesn't believe in
this whole virtualization
thing as implemented by cloud/vps/etc.
the only virtualization
that makes sense
to me is via
teh uci.
Framedragger: yeah,
that i know. well, it's not needed for now, so, ok
Framedragger: also, i
take it S.BISP is not currently offering services? :)
mircea_popescu: won't be worth anyone's
time
to dick around with monthlies
Framedragger: (also, my initial plan was
to ask for a month as i can't predict with absolute certainty actual resource requirements. but i
think i have a decent picture of what's needed.)
mircea_popescu: then once approved someone can write a qntra piece about
the whole
thing and lo and behold, crony republicanism!
mircea_popescu: alrighty, you write
the application, make it short and
to
the point.
Framedragger: (if not, i still want
to do it, so will prolly still do it.)
mircea_popescu: how about you apply for a grant
to
the foundation and i lean on ben_vulpes / mod6
to approve it ?
Framedragger: i was wondering, would S.SNA (or whatever entity) be able
to pay for a VPS? 9.6 EUR / mo., payment monthly, my VPS accepts bitcoin.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i plan
to set up a "phuctor results investigation dashboard". (iirc
trinque or someone planned
to do sth of
the kind, but since
this overlaps with
the "check distinct banner amounts etc", i may as well do it properly). nothing fancy so as
to keep it actually deliverable, but i have a plan.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah, ok - i guess my point was
that it'd be very horrible, but i suppose
the chief horror is in
the learned-unthinking-ness of masses.
the rest is just aftereffects
a111: Logged on 2016-11-19 04:41 mircea_popescu: "no, i found it in a plastic bag in
the alley behind
the hotel where i used
to work."
mircea_popescu: no, it simply will be "nobody knows how
to
turn it on without
the
talking paperclip, and
they can't muster
the energy
to
try and find out".
that's it. what, you
think argentines fail because
they're not connected
to
the same internet we are ?
they're connected, i'm living proof. but
to
them, it's all netflix.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger
the whole "oh, microsoft secure implants" is really just so much narcissism. as
the raped girl angrily if unsuccessfully points out (
http://trilema.com/2013/the-dead-jew-and-the-raped-girl/ ),
the peasants could at any point not have been peasants. "could".
the pretense
that "couldn't" is exactly what kept
them in line
them, and it's
the source of
this "secure implants bla bla" wet dream.
mircea_popescu: if danielpbarron ever visits ima feed him a sarma
there :)
mircea_popescu: in lighter news, found delicious armenian restaurant yest. manned by actual
to god armenian.
the difference from
the local cows is shocking and immediate.
mircea_popescu: was in some 2013 article iirc, "history usually flows in
the direction of most fucking common man"