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ThickAsThieves: :)
ThickAsThieves: two words
ThickAsThieves: maybe his job is to introduce bugs
ThickAsThieves: serve the servants
ThickAsThieves: so it will provide grants and such?
ThickAsThieves: yes it is related, at least in the context that we are talking to Luke, Luke wants to be on the board, and Luke sees the BF's purpose as to provide funding for these Devs
ThickAsThieves: i just dont like the concept that the Devs pretty much act as the keepers and drivers of bitcoin software
ThickAsThieves: it's still in beta!
ThickAsThieves: i love that
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: it's done
ThickAsThieves: the software exists
ThickAsThieves: i'm saying the core devs may have no purpose at all
ThickAsThieves: i dont think you understand what "we" are saying
ThickAsThieves: we are
ThickAsThieves: and let bitcoin core be the bitcoin core it already is
ThickAsThieves: why cant we let for-profit service providers come up with the features
ThickAsThieves: when did we even accept that new features are a thing the community at large even wants
ThickAsThieves: is
ThickAsThieves: <dub> they can't think for themselves <<< which why i dont want them voting on btc software features
ThickAsThieves: look at the board makeup:)
ThickAsThieves: i suppose americans care
ThickAsThieves: but he failed at differentiating that from some sort of affirmative action plea
ThickAsThieves: maybe, i think there is something to what Joerg is trying to say, on that it will be more respected as an international organization if it is diverse,
ThickAsThieves: then*
ThickAsThieves: if it 'feels' like an American thing, or VC club, or whatever, than anyone that doesnt like such will not respect it
ThickAsThieves: really that's more of a problem for the foundation itself
ThickAsThieves: depends how you look at it
ThickAsThieves: which is probly what will happen anyway
ThickAsThieves: maybe let each country sort out their own foundation
ThickAsThieves: but the BF is pretty much US atm
ThickAsThieves: or by local do you mean national instead of international groups
ThickAsThieves: i'm not versed on the lobbying world, but I suspect reality is the opposite of your vision
ThickAsThieves: if BF can be a force to mitigate the fumbling of goverments attempting to regulate bitcoin, then i might support it
ThickAsThieves: (as an organization)
ThickAsThieves: go lobby it
ThickAsThieves: if you have an agenda
ThickAsThieves: the BF is better used to lobby
ThickAsThieves: ^
ThickAsThieves: i dont think the Foundation should remotely exist in the ways you idealize
ThickAsThieves: when a problem feels unsolvable, you might be solving the wrong problem
ThickAsThieves: is
ThickAsThieves: well typically, part of my problem-solving
ThickAsThieves: this is awfully naive of a path no?
ThickAsThieves: i'm generally of the opinion that, in most situations, the community at large is not qualified to make decisions
ThickAsThieves: so you want Gavin to be stronger but not stronger
ThickAsThieves: right?
ThickAsThieves: in your system, the current Almighty Dev Team becomes a stronger and stronger centralized influence on bitocin dev
ThickAsThieves: would not for-profit endeavors do that incidentally?
ThickAsThieves: and non-members are not disqualified from having influence
ThickAsThieves: by merely being members
ThickAsThieves: members are not qualified to influence anything
ThickAsThieves: i agree
ThickAsThieves: i'm saying the approach is flawed altogether
ThickAsThieves: yes we are
ThickAsThieves: and let whatever succeeds succeed
ThickAsThieves: making a spec, out on the open
ThickAsThieves: they can care about bitcoin whilst not caring to join
ThickAsThieves: people who dont know to or care to become members
ThickAsThieves: does this not also filter out many other types of users?
ThickAsThieves: would it be members only?
ThickAsThieves: is that truly possible?
ThickAsThieves: you also mention soliciting the opinion of the "community" to decide these things
ThickAsThieves: you think that separation is possible?
ThickAsThieves: you mention that the FOundation should not influence software dev though
ThickAsThieves: maybe to something like The Foundation's purpose is to advocate for and solicit financial support for bitcoin software development?
ThickAsThieves: so you'd see the mission statement changed?
ThickAsThieves: luke-jr can you see how your comment sounds a lot like a nicer version of mine?
ThickAsThieves: so you consider it to be a scheme to fool people into giving to dev of the software?
ThickAsThieves: does it not exist to influence?
ThickAsThieves: so you want to join to dismantle it?
ThickAsThieves: i dont have to like or agree with their plot to acknowledge it
ThickAsThieves: i disagree that i'm the one they'll be influencing, and disagree that they will have no influence of note
ThickAsThieves: Joerg doesnt want Foundation to turn into a US bitcoin-business club
ThickAsThieves: because like it or not these guyse are gonna influence some things
ThickAsThieves: Luke says Foundation shouldnt be bought (references Ver donation)
ThickAsThieves: [again my words]
ThickAsThieves: and promote decentralization
ThickAsThieves: Liz says Foundation needs to better manage outward infighting so they dont look like derps
ThickAsThieves: Roger Ver donated 5000btc to Foundation
ThickAsThieves: Joerg says no Luke, Trace his right
ThickAsThieves: LukeJr says no fair, Trace
ThickAsThieves: Trace badmouths LukeJr for not allowing Jon Matonis as a press contact of bitcoin foundation
ThickAsThieves: he also likes idea of a super-majority consensus to decide new featyures
ThickAsThieves: Trace - Yes, Foundation should have role in deciding features
ThickAsThieves: [using my words here]
ThickAsThieves: Ben - No, Gavin shouldnt be paid by FOundation either (conflict of interest)
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: is that what it was?
ThickAsThieves: Joerg, Yes it should via worldwide opinion
ThickAsThieves: Luke - No, but give community a way to vote, Liz - No, but we all know gavin works at the foundation
ThickAsThieves: Should the foundation have a role in Bitcoin software dev?
ThickAsThieves: out*
ThickAsThieves: maybe he let the neckbeard go our of control and chose to photochop his best pic on hand?
ThickAsThieves: yes
ThickAsThieves: he's the hard-ass of the group it seems
ThickAsThieves: all pics here actually http://bitcoinmagazine.com/6823/bitcoin-foundation-individual-seat-candidate-transcription-index/
ThickAsThieves: Trace Mayer http://www.runtogold.com/images/trace-mayer-bnn.jpg
ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Elizabeth-T.-Ploshay-Headshot-.png
ThickAsThieves: hmm