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mp_en_viaje: if you were to give it a looksee that'd be most helpful.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, aite ; it's been what, a month already ?
BingoBoingo: After some period for auctions/claims, etc, it seems like that's the time to put a nail in it.
mp_en_viaje: a ok.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Sorry, still doing the numbers and accompanying log/notes archaeology. Unless I hit a very hard problem I'm probably 12-18 hours away from pushing out a "pre-closing statement" for people to make their claims against, etc.
mp_en_viaje: comments welcome ; as things currently stand i'm thinking a one week auction starting tomorrow is the way to go here.
mp_en_viaje: mkay, so unless i gravely misunderstand something, there do indeed seem to be some items that may be worth something in http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949202 ; namely a coupla opteron boxes and a dozen fgs + coupla more without trims.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 06:22:48 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949252 << i woukldn't even protest if you expected a monotonically increasing guid tbh.
spyked: in other sunday rss epiphanies, I just figured out why this might not work while reading this. long story short, it's (currently) not a rule that articles are published and displayed in the rss feed in the order of postids. wp lets me publish e.g. ?p=398 a
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949366 <-- kinda gives me the impulse to make a pass through the whole blog. too bad he stopped posting in 2014 (minus the 2019 post on yebay)
BingoBoingo: The more of a pleasant exercised flare present, the more likely they are to be hostile to the local left
BingoBoingo has a hypothesis that the politics of most local females can be discerned through the shape of their ass. Seems to have far more predictive power than skin color or any other pseudoscientific traits.
hanbot: can there be a bolunzeala of writing, then?
mircea_popescu: hanbot, bolunzeala, a superlative form of imbulzeala, such as eg https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/rebellion-by-london-apprentices-in-1595
mircea_popescu: it's very much a http://trilema.com/2012/ah-curvele-astea-fragededelicioase/ type affliction.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: what madness? madness supposes a bit more... liveliness.
hanbot: interesting contractions. anyway, a fine restatement of the problem of indolence.
mircea_popescu: basicaly it 1. establishes the highest article guid ; 2. it picks a value up to that (with a lot of leverage for criteria, turns out i had a special ro-only thing made by alf's request at some point) and then requests it.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-02 10:17:14 mircea_popescu: i'd go as far as to say that any feed without a guid is ~therefore~ broken, and any software putting out such a thing has to be fixed.
BingoBoingo: I'm not entirely unsure I don't have or in the past hed a touch of engineer bogging down my head, but not indentifying as an engineer myself... I am unsure what has to break for an engineer to get the resignation, that can build to a faith, that recovery can proceed from.
mircea_popescu: so yes, they'll sit there droning about "abstract considerations", when they're, like any 9yo, simply procrastinating, instead of going to take a piss they'll tell you the theory of the parts of the kidney while wetting themselves
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll give it a thought, but I have low expectations. Also, the other side of the Late 1990's early 2000's Windows verus *nix narrative clicked in my head. The fight wasn't about the merits of any software at all. It was a fuck you to engineers in IT from Management.
mircea_popescu: (exactly the same situation, p to q as a to b, is what i mean)
mircea_popescu: just because we have a word to distinguish pedophiles from camp guides while to date there wasn't a word to distinguish "being an engineer"s from people working in engineering dun mean it's not exactly the same fucking thing.
mircea_popescu: but yes, people afflicted with "being an engineer", the mental disease, often end up working ~as~ engineers. it's a lot like pedophiles working as camp guides or w/e : superficially they're some of the best, most serious & dedicated etc workers in the field ; but as a group they're also pretty much the only serious danger to the field -- people will definitely stop sending their kids to camp if there's enough pedos running c
diana_coman: I don't think it's in the engineering though; more maybe the other way around ie engineering as a result, not as a cause.
mircea_popescu: maybe the way out is rather in the vein of handling addiction, make an Engineers Anonymous, build up a list of tenants, "i understand i have a problem, that i can't fix but i can try to manage, and by the higher power as i understand it ima try" or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: i understand the more fashionable neoprotestant theory on the topic requires "i can do anything" as a hard prerequisite, and therefore "personal development" or "growth" is a boundless field of possibility. i'm... well, moderately optimistic on this topic, in the sense that i don't for a second credit such nonsense.
mircea_popescu: a kid who doesn't speak by four might speak by five, and if not by five then by six. but a kid that's not spoken by twenty is not likely to speak by thirty -- the early years matter a lot more than the latter years in the natural resolution of retardation.
mircea_popescu: i'd go as far as to say that any feed without a guid is ~therefore~ broken, and any software putting out such a thing has to be fixed.
mircea_popescu: spyked, guids in rss are the postid, this isn't exactly arbitrary, it's a numeric gensym for the article -- guaranteed to monotonically increase over time.
spyked: well, I'll ruminate a bit on the whole thing and write a proposal for the bot spec. should provide a structured starting point at the very least.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 06:22:48 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949252 << i woukldn't even protest if you expected a monotonically increasing guid tbh.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 05:57:45 diana_coman: no mandatory fields huh, what a great... standard! spyked there is though some description inside the blog spec and possibly that's going to be the actual spec anyway (maybe iterated if more details are needed)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 05:26:32 spyked: well, nothing guarantees that rss entries come with a timestamp. afaik the only mandatory field is the guid.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949252 << i woukldn't even protest if you expected a monotonically increasing guid tbh.
mircea_popescu: but i suspect we'll eventually need a good algo because we'll prolly keep running into this problem. it's a first class primitive, to my eye.
mircea_popescu: how to do this, however, is admittedly a very hard problem, and i don't expect a solution has to be found/deployed rightnao.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 04:24:16 spyked: fwiw I don't believe this is flaw; the alternative would be for the bot to keep a list of all the items it's ever seen, but then it would be a list of all the items it's seen since the feed was first added to its db, which is an arbitrary cutoff point. wouldn't have prevented this spam anyway, since I've originally added the feed list to feedbot in 2018? and ossasepia's current rss goes all the way to 2017
diana_coman: no mandatory fields huh, what a great... standard! spyked there is though some description inside the blog spec and possibly that's going to be the actual spec anyway (maybe iterated if more details are needed)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 05:26:32 spyked: well, nothing guarantees that rss entries come with a timestamp. afaik the only mandatory field is the guid.
spyked: anyway, I'll fire up the bot in a few mins and will be around for a while to check whether everything's alright.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949254 <-- there's no considerations re. order at the moment. a feed entry/item is uniquely identified by the "guid" field (there's a similar field for atom feeds, dun recall the name) and feedbot maintains a set of items for each feed in the db, also grabbing, when present, title, link etc.. so if remote end rss operator wants to add an item without a date
spyked: okay, I'll post a spec sometime in the next coupla weeks. guess I didn't post one back in 2018/early 2019 since closest denominator I had was deedbot rss and just used that.
diana_coman: ftr I do enjoy reading otherwise your crisp descriptions there but as they build up, in the end I'll still have to summarise & basically extract a "spec" out of them.
spyked: re. spec, I think there was an earlier trilema post on rss, I tried to dig it yesterday but couldn't find it. I think http://thetarpit.org/2019/feedbot-manual is the closest thing to a spec, but it's a spec for commands, not for other behaviours. bot behaviour is otherwise documented in http://thetarpit.org/2019/feedbot-i (and ii and iii in the same series)
diana_coman: spyked: hm; still a list ie once it finds what it had as "the last previously announced item", why would it look further?
spyked: well, nothing guarantees that rss entries come with a timestamp. afaik the only mandatory field is the guid.
diana_coman: spyked: they have the timestamp, no? and/or they come as a list anyway.
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-11-01 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-31#1008349 <-- ftr, I also stumbled upon this: http://thetarpit.org/2019/a-guide-to-systematically-exploring-the-entrails-of-mp-wp-illustrated-using-some-weird-found-in-the-post-editor . wrapping the input field content in htmlentities did the trick for me, but otherwise I thought this is something particular to my environment
diana_coman: spyked: btw is there a spec for feedbot?
diana_coman: I'm also rather weary of manual disables and the like because 1. this never scales, it can't 2. now I need to keep a list of things for which to poke spyked to disable my feed if I as much as touch them on my own blog?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 20:49:54 billymg: yeah, when originally ripping it out, my brain parsed a "if (! $richedit ) ..." as "if ( $richedit ) ..." and so removed the line
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 16:20:22 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm, it would seem this has a toggle ie from settings; atm I set it to at most 1000 so it should not bother you there but it doesn't quite solve it.
spyked: fwiw I don't believe this is flaw; the alternative would be for the bot to keep a list of all the items it's ever seen, but then it would be a list of all the items it's seen since the feed was first added to its db, which is an arbitrary cutoff point. wouldn't have prevented this spam anyway, since I've originally added the feed list to feedbot in 2018? and ossasepia's current rss goes all the way to 2017
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949184 <-- no, it's precisely http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949191 ; feedbot looks at the rss feed and a. updates its db to reflect what's on the remote end; and b. it queues notifications for items that weren't there on the previous visit.
mircea_popescu: anyways -- i dun think a blog should list pingbacks either in the comment rss or in the "new comments" navbar.
mircea_popescu: i got a few from like 2013 ; approved
BingoBoingo: Apologies if anyone has a bunch of incoming pings. I ran http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-fix-your-local-trackbacks/ and the scope of things to ping expanded beyong the local trackbacks. Got a ctrl-c
billymg: anyway, will have two patches up shortly, one for the fix and one for a test of that behavior
billymg: yeah, when originally ripping it out, my brain parsed a "if (! $richedit ) ..." as "if ( $richedit ) ..." and so removed the line
diana_coman: so it would seem that jfw has actually found a bug with those html chars, except it wasn't in the original mp-wp but in billymg's trimming patches so that should get fixed now.
mircea_popescu: automattic (the alt-world mp-wp maintainer / saboteur group)
mircea_popescu: the fact is that a WHOLE COUNTRY, literal millions of engineers, gathered together in what was, for all practical purposes, a political party, produced... nothing, over 20 years.
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/14/a-working-cuntoo-install-on-amd-fx-8350-with-script/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Working Cuntoo Install on AMD FX-8350 (with script)
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/08/07/a-visit-at-the-recycling-of-war-artefacts-museum/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Visit at the Recycling of War Artefacts Museum
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/08/12/camera-tests-of-a-sunday/ << Ossa Sepia -- Camera Tests of a Sunday
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/05/a-summers-summary-and-next-steps-in-eulora/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Summer's Summary and Next Steps in Eulora
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm, it would seem this has a toggle ie from settings; atm I set it to at most 1000 so it should not bother you there but it doesn't quite solve it.
mp_en_viaje: a ok then :)
diana_coman: eh, along that line I *did* throw away a pile of papers & letters from when I was 16 or shit, lolz.
diana_coman: that thing with stale page is weird; it happened to me on trilema.com a few times too (ie had to change machine to get around it)
mp_en_viaje: i think it's a theme thing
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: how do I convert to title-date? is there a switch somewhere?
mp_en_viaje: it's not fucking stale, i just reloaded it ; seems there's some other switch above that one with no proper error outpu tthat then just falls through here. both these issues prolly need a fix
mp_en_viaje: Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again."
mp_en_viaje: hey diana_coman : i'm trying to leave a "The keks of 2019 salute you.\n\nCum mai e pe la doctorat ?" comment on http://ossasepia.com/2009/09/27/din-transeele-doctoratului-avanpremiera/ but no matter what i do -- "
mod6: trinque: I was able to get a !!balance, but !!withdraw did not issue me a challenge. Here's the info, thanks in advance: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=g2BN
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I always imagine as a consequence the story of Death-With-A-Lawnmower at that image.
mp_en_viaje: pretty sure i have somewhere on trilema a pic of the contrasting grasscutting worlds, men with scythes on one side of the road, with the gasoline 2stroke luls on the other isde
diana_coman: dunno, here in parks they actually have a guy that specifically *takes care of the grass* ie re-seeds it if needed, aerates the soil, etc.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-01-31 08:06:42 ben_vulpes: sooo, capetown to run out of water early april http://wtkr.com/2018/01/25/in-less-than-3-months-a-major-international-city-will-likely-run-out-of-water/ and so "unwashed hair is now a sign of social responsibility"
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-01 10:56:41 mp_en_viaje: there is no better alternative to however many men in the scattered line, going at it. they can cut grass at the speed of a stout walk, which nothing else can do.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949007<< Right. The tiny mommies gone beast of burden for the smaller, potential, people that fall out of em... suggest a greater capacity to adapt to task in spite of theit physiological disadvantage when it comes to packing on more muscle. Of course left on their own, eventually the tiny mommies break and go mula on a long enough timeline.
mp_en_viaje: there'll never be a better solution ; because there can't be. because there's no solution to this problem, i can write insane nonsense.
mp_en_viaje: ~EVEN A THING THAT CAN'T BE WRITTEN~
diana_coman: sure, not a problem, his blog anyway.
mp_en_viaje: there is no better alternative to however many men in the scattered line, going at it. they can cut grass at the speed of a stout walk, which nothing else can do.
mp_en_viaje: this said, a scythe is positively deadly for children
mp_en_viaje: a man with a scythe would have done that plot in a few hours ; these muppets broke the tool and their hands and their hopes for a better future, while doing less damage to the field than a wild hog.
mp_en_viaje: i pulled out chairs on top balcony overlooking it and we had drinks watching the morons fight late summer banat grass with a wheedwhacker. it was better than tv.
mp_en_viaje: there's a vacant lot next to my place, here. and the middle class "investor" owners of it came late summer to cut down the grass (city ordnances threatening fines no doubt impelling them), with a brand-new... wheedwhacker, they paid a hundy or two for, in tow.
mp_en_viaje: i didn't look into it ; but going by the novel symbol <fn>, i expect he did a stupid thing, equivalent to walking on a rake, by declaring the footnote separators to be tag-like, <fn> and </fn>
diana_coman: there seemed to be a bit more to it from jfw's notes http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/misadventures-in-mp-wp-setup-the-sad-work-in-progress-post/?b=omfg&e=wysiwyg%20editor#select
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 05:13:53 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1948993 << this is not a bug ; don't put mark-up in there.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 22:19:53 lobbes: so turns out diana_coman's whaack is already working on a solution to the mentioned bug above
mp_en_viaje: traditionally the problem was resolved by getting a fool/chaplain (or both) to do the aesthetic rating for the lord running a public service of import. get yourself some pages i guess.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949003 << you've made quite the conundrum for yourself. as a service operator, aesthetic rates are a serious problem, because look how you've forced upon yourself this spurious dilemma of "do my negrates not mean much, or do my negrates fuck up my business"
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2019/the-dazzling-array-of-angles-a-celebration/?b=that%20poet&e=#select works exactly as intended ; we're here making tools to work ~with~ the user, not against the user. which is why i say it's not a bug, merely permitting the user to be stupid if he so chooses is no bug.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 21:35:02 lobbes: in other weird, I found an odd (albeit edge case) bug in the new blog selection mechanism. If you do a select that begins with "http" (e.g. "?b=http&e=#select") it will mangle the selected link in the post itself when rendered