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truffles: i thought btc crowd was a lil smarter than gen pop..

BingoBoingo: truffles: I dunno if you know what "classic" implies. And I thinkj you are trying to stretch for credibility but supposing "who could"

truffles: well if im in a crowd my 1st thoughts are "do i have any cash on hand, oh no worries"

truffles: i like to give myself importance by thinking some1 is "monitoring" me heh

bocobit: I feel this pressure everytime I am in a large crowd

truffles: i think the word needs more responsible leaders

ozbot: From the Stacks: Why I Never Hire Brilliant Men | TaoYue.com

bocobit: ya man I've been thinking about it the last week

bocobit: MP, I read that article you posted "Why I don't hire brilliant men"

bocobit: I hear SD is even better on the martian surface

bocobit: i'd do it if I was the first to walk

mircea_popescu: i have some popcorn prepared for the opinions in the first wrongful death suit connected to private marsd exploration

truffles: if i were a con sure

mircea_popescu: i personally think a grown man should possess a working knowledge of both fields, at least enough to make him conversant in either.

mircea_popescu: <decimation> right, I get your point, but in the context of today the problem is that bezzle-finance has made the job of resource allocation niegh impossible << yes, tis true, but also somewhat unrelated to the issue of engineer pay.

decimation: as would be the case in any time or place I suppose

decimation: right, I get your point, but in the context of today the problem is that bezzle-finance has made the job of resource allocation niegh impossible

decimation: I don't deny that allocating resources is hard work worthy of pay

decimation: except as I pointed out awhile ago, there are only 300k EE's in the us total

decimation: I agree it is rational from their perspective. And clearly, there are loads of engineers and "engineers" who are ready to signup

mircea_popescu: anyway, i suspect the earlier lengthy discussion about money conflates two different uses of the thing.

MisterE: truffles: I would just request a flame thrower

truffles: i believe it will be

asciilifeform: signing bonus alone, last i checked, was close to 30k

asciilifeform: i.e. throwing most of the 300 directly to the vultures

kanzure: (i know, it's stupid)

kanzure: i smoke lines of code?

kanzure: sure. i wouldn't be willing to go into an office for $150k.

asciilifeform: 'I wouldn't be willing to develop in javascript for $300k' << this goes back to the original point i was trying to make, when i mentioned hunting for flat (i generally don't discuss crap like this without a good reason) -

kanzure: fuck that, i want my headset

kanzure: definitely not high on my list of things i'm proud of

decimation: that's why I'm a zero I guess

decimation: I wouldn't be willing to develop in javascript for $300k

decimation: kanzure I presume this is you: https://github.com/kanzure/

kanzure: yeah i know i should read it, i'm just terrible

kanzure: well, yes, but i stole it from the book

decimation: I would recommend it

kanzure: i just pretend that i have

kanzure: actually, i haven't :)

asciilifeform: kanzure: i'd be surprised if anyone here hasn't read (or lived!) 'mythical man-month'

kanzure: because i've managed 20 indians and my quality and quantity of output was still better at the same itme

asciilifeform: decimation: this does appear to be the way it works, where i live.

decimation: but I don't think that is a large population

decimation: I think it's true that a "web of trust" of competent individuals act as hired guns to do jobs for govt/corps

decimation: yeah I agree

asciilifeform: i've yet to see a living case of this that wasn't in the 'pay 250 to live in range of the 300' territory.

asciilifeform: kanzure: the way i understand it, this is not how markets actually work. if i'm the only one who knows how to build xxx, i don't get to collect $maxint for building an xxx. simply, xxx doesn't get made.

kanzure: now excuse me i must go cry over a shitty xml parser http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/p2pfoundation/dumpspot/pullparser.py

kanzure: ("did i mention that i cry myself to sleep while making shitty PCBs every night?")

kanzure: oh, i'm not even talking about the people who started the projects

asciilifeform: i don't dispute that there live unique specialists who are paid $xxx k for something that could be described as 'engineering.' but most of them are on some kind of physical leash, however long.

asciilifeform: i've often had 'interesting' conversations with people to whom i suggested calculating their wage 'per hour of actual work'

decimation: I guess I just don't see the offers on dice.com or whatever

kanzure: alas, on one of my recent gigs i somehow ended up traveling for a week every few months.. it was trickery. :(

asciilifeform: but i dare say that you (and mp?) may be alone in this weight class, among us

kanzure: hmm i don't know about easily, things do take "work"

kanzure: the only problem with this conversation is that i can't figure out why would you want to be employed (of all people)

asciilifeform: i have to, after all, concede that folks who have escaped from gravity well, while i sit in, are more clever than i

asciilifeform: i'm speaking of me fellow zeros, not heroes

kanzure: i guess you could claim gravity is impacting speed of light constraints on my work, but wtf?

kanzure: i was not a "vp"

kanzure: and sure, i was focusing on people who write software

kanzure: asciilifeform: i would say it could be useful for the idiot calibration

kanzure: here is the survey i did,

kanzure: well, from personal experience i'd say at least $.. oh, yeah, definitely more than 150

decimation: I bet not more than $150k

kakobrekla: i was afraid so ascii.

chetty: exactly, I don't blame the outside banks at all, its prudent

asciilifeform: just as the escapee can't say 'i do not want to be in any database' and make it stick

decimation: I don't think that actually works

decimation: yeah, this is true. I wonder what all the europeans who came over in the 1800's would have made of this outcome?

asciilifeform: decimation: i never said i wasn't a chump. but there are different species of chump.

decimation: ascii I think to some extent living near a major metro area in the US is a chump's game

decimation: I suspect most "free land" in scotland is either on a cliff or in a moor

asciilifeform: decimation: last i checked, marina fee + utilities was close to the cost of small flat

decimation: which people just roll into the "how much do I have to pay per month" calculation

asciilifeform: 'i have $xxxx.' 'sorry, you can't get - shit - for $xxxx' - or for '$xxxxx'

asciilifeform: i started looking for new flat soon after mp's essay on 'bezzle dollar' and thought it was hilariously fitting

moiety: i pay more for a one bed flat than colleagues do for three bedroom houses

mircea_popescu: i don't get this "what hge paid" criterion.

moiety: i would like to know how they expect you to build a credit rating when you can't get credit when you don't have a credit rating in the first place.

asciilifeform: i know one fellow like that. just trying to stem losses

asciilifeform: on top of this, it is virtually impossible to rent a house at all where i live.

decimation: ascii I do agree with your point about rental property. I recently moved from a house to a rental, and when I told the agent about my credit score she said " you should be buying"

decimation: I thought you were talking about that. as I recall it was because they used substandard adhesive

asciilifeform: so, there i was, checking out a potential replacement for my flat, and saw this, alive:

mircea_popescu: which was the first time i heard of that sort of shit.

decimation: I thought he fell out of a building while being shot with a nail gun

mircea_popescu: i went from new hampshire to new mexico.

decimation: as I recall you were hangoing around the northeast

tg2: lol transcript: dude is retarded. I watch that video when I want to feel better about my crypto portfolio.

MisterE: I dunno why it looks like lead underneath, it says right on the bar 99.9% fine

mircea_popescu: i like how the gold bars get etching and shit

moiety: ;; later tell BingoBoingo i get now it was a joke, i didn't before.

kakobrekla: i scam somali

MisterE: I spel American

mircea_popescu: i think that's premier

mircea_popescu: i guess "the first and biggest" sounds better than "the derpiest and cluelessest"

kakobrekla: theres a few things i must finish to make it completely automagic, after that trades will show as soon as they are closed (refreshed every 10 min or so)

ThickAsThieves: admittedly this hostility came after I linked her to https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikihow.com%2FUse-There%2C-Their-and-They%27re&ei=E8ZAU76RAY-wsAT4hYHYAw&usg=AFQjCNFUDz_wqUzyiVCDFekwBoaqO20NWQ&sig2=0XULb0AYQMcseS7VzgO9Rg&bvm=bv.64125504,d.cWc