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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
there is no such
thing as "immediately mine".
phf: asciilifeform: a log is just push-vector with checkpoints. entire
thing barely
takes up 200mb of in memory data
davout: why would a lord want
to live without at least ~some~ peasants around?
ben_vulpes: phf: i
think
this is pretty neat, have wondered about your x-referencer etc
davout: since vermin can hardly be completely exterminated
the correct approach seems
to be "don't go live in sewer"
phf: ftr, least i somehow become sql acid proponent, i'd like
to point out
that i'm
the only person running
tmsr infrastructure ~not on a sql database~
davout: asciilifeform:
this ended up never being a problem in practice
mats: asciilifeform: best part is
the
tacit omission
that usg can be owned by 6 year old with five bitcents
to rub
together
a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 20:04 davout: i want
this
transaction broadcast, just fucking drop whatever's conflicting with it
davout: nevermind
that
this
transaction not only carried a fee, but also resulted in a net cleanup of
the utxo set
davout: asciilifeform: because it apparently didn't match whatever prb
thought was a "minimum fee"
davout: ended up just perfectly sent
to children in uganda
davout: latest example of
transaction "that shouldn't have confirmed": e73d40c1aa9147e426de43d64753c2318c234426f6efbd090a7a9313d87f95e6
davout: i want
this
transaction broadcast, just fucking drop whatever's conflicting with it
☟︎ mircea_popescu is going
to start recommending people go
to barren islands after all.
turns out boredom is promotive of sanity.
davout: no more "oh, but
this
transaction is already in my mempool, sfyl"
davout: and equipped with such sanity, if your
transaction doesn't confirm, double spend it, no big deal
davout: no, but seriously, how many
times did I beat prb into crafting
txes it would give me unwarranted opinions about
mircea_popescu was pretty impressed with davout 's bitbet liquidation
tx.
davout: no more "oh, but
the
transaction you're attempting doesn't match min fee $magic_number"
davout: maybe you want
to broadcast
that
transaction from mit prb nodes, up
to you
mircea_popescu: well
technically spits it out, it shouldn't insert by itself.
davout: crafts desired
transaction
therefrom, insert in mempool ~fin~
mircea_popescu: no, actually,
trb should apply
the above scheme EXACTLY like how v applies patches : you populate a wot with acceptable addresses
davout: trb should be able
to shit list of unspent outputs, optionally filtered by address
mircea_popescu: and incidentally "knapsack" problem is a fucking overstatement. here's a very simple strategy : 1. sort available inputs by size ; 2. if current step != last step, select first input
that is smaller
than
tx going out else select
the input right before
that ; recurse
to 1.
mircea_popescu: davout
this is pretty much agreed upon, provided you mean by
the words what we mean by
the words.
ben_vulpes: hey,
the power rangers wanted 20mb blocks for whatever reason. i want indices.
davout: anyway, i guess my position basically boils down
to: "as far as
trb proper is concerned, best wallet is no wallet. but sane indexing mechanisms"
phf: everyone sensing
there ought
to be a fight, but everyone's agreeing
mircea_popescu: yeah just parser failed
to return anything in
the $controversy construct
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: we're cramming a year+ of wallet into davout's head now
that he's paying attention again
mircea_popescu: is
there something being discussed or we just shootin da breeze ?
ben_vulpes: fine i'm going
to go scream in a corner where i'm sure i'm
the only one listening
ben_vulpes: which is why index
the whole blockchaaaaaain
davout: i might very well broadcast other folk's
txes from my node, just as well as i might broadcast my own
txes from arbitrary shitnodes
davout: asciilifeform: privkey privacy is pretty much all
that matters imo
a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 19:46 davout:
trb being able
to list utxos given a bunch of addresses would be pretty obviously needed
davout: mircea_popescu: ok, "forbid-insane-fee"
then
ben_vulpes: 'inspected for pertinent-to-me
tx' is a subset of 'index blocks sanely'
a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 19:43 davout: imho a "warn-if-insane-fee" config knob is largely sufficient, and would allow removal of
the "output selection" nonsense from
the code
ben_vulpes: wallet boils down
to 'index of
txen paying
to addresses i care about' anyways
davout: indexing based on address seems
the sanest
to me
davout: yeah
that's pretty much
the point
ben_vulpes: any sane
trb
that doesn't index
tx on output address i suppose
ben_vulpes: index with symlinks on address
too why not
ben_vulpes: with
the current mechanism you'll have
to import
those addresses and rescan some amount of
the blockchain
to find
the utxos you want
davout: but
then we're going down
the bitcoinfs rabbit hole
davout: trb being able
to list utxos given a bunch of addresses would be pretty obviously needed
☟︎ ben_vulpes: davout: and you get
this list of utxos how?
davout: utxos
to sign -> provided by user
ben_vulpes: at issue here is "where do
the coins go" and "how
to select
the utxos
to sign"
ben_vulpes: one of you is using it
to describe
the process of selecting signable unspent
transaction outputs and another using it
to describe
the new outputs created
ben_vulpes: you
two are using "output selection"
to mean
two different
things
davout: imho a "warn-if-insane-fee" config knob is largely sufficient, and would allow removal of
the "output selection" nonsense from
the code
☟︎ mod6: i don't
think
that should be removed. i
think
that
the user aught
to have
the option
to select
them if he wants, with rawtx.