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mp_en_viaje: (admittedly these considerations only interesting for me because actually got slave empire that works, otherwise it's a comparison of something with nothing)
asciilifeform: observe incidentally that germany's slaves also were 'imam-distributed' . hence my suspicion, that 'legionnaires personally take slaves' doesn't extend to when the primary weapons are industrially-crafted objects with gnarly maintenance cycles, only really extends to when gladius.
mp_en_viaje: like cosmo kramer's kramerica industries : only qualified to supply FANTASY world business experience. not real world business experience.
mp_en_viaje: which was kinda my point : for all the in-universe supposed glory, slave empire dun work in any practical sense.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: as far as i can tell, they ~tried~ to '51st state'. problem is that inca can't even fully digest 1 baltimore, merely 1 small (physically large, but not so habitated) town where folx willing to ~sometimes~ shoot, much less entire iraq.
mp_en_viaje: if they TRULY BELIEVE they got something, "democracy", blabla. if the pantsuit truly believe pantsuitism is +ev, then how come iraq isn't the 51st state ?
mp_en_viaje: so the q there stated extends/dovetails into ye olde "why didn't they make iraq 51st state"
mp_en_viaje: this is baked into the question, though. "why didn't THE SYSTEM allocate the pilots slaves" ? you know the isis rural tards have complicated manual about "how to slaves", mostly dealing with the recipients' own homophobia and bizarre cuntfears. but those slaves aren't personally taken in war ; they're imam-distributed.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There doesn't seem to by anything that can stop Argentina from getting tossed on the manure pile to rot this time. They are approaching the fiat system stable state.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 13:59:08 asciilifeform: observe that even in the period that e.g. wehrmacht soldiers ~were~ coming home with slaves, luftwaffe -- nope
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929372 << one of the disadvantages of the advantage, i guess.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as mp pointed out on numerous occasions, there is no substantive diff b/w argentina and usa, britain, etc. rest of reich.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the reason why the fiat printers can't take argentina behind the shed and shoot it, no matter how obviously necessary, is that then would have to also take selves there also and shoot
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 06:11:02 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929279 << this is like "degrading" a chick from 5'4 to 5'31/2. anyone who's anyone had long tuned out anyways.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929352 << My surprise is that they continue to rate Argentina instead of shaving off a half inch at a time.
asciilifeform: (and coupla tanks)
asciilifeform: in the (per usg's Official Troof, 'bloodless') bloody coup of '93 that demolished remnant of sovok, observe -- no airplanes are known to have taken part.
asciilifeform: this reduces arguably to mp_en_viaje's old piece where 'height of the towers'. yes, tower is tall, but... yer in a tower.
asciilifeform: i see no reason to suppose that usg's 'computerized' planes behave any diff. from e.g. cisco's routers. ( and the turks appear to agree , fwiw )
asciilifeform: (i.e. fella inside ~could~ aim the cannon at the parliament and pull trigger and it ~would~ fire)
asciilifeform: 'warthog' is old-style machine, and much closer to onoda's rifle than to 'f35', from this angle
asciilifeform: imho this hypothesis has explanatory power, in re usg's eagerness (against protest of all of the generals!) to scrap, e.g. the famous 'warthog'
asciilifeform: observe, even today's debased piloting, where the man is largely in the cockpit to enter numbers into keypad -- gives , from reich's pov, too much to the man. and hence the ongoing effort to deskill even this profession, mechanize the machine 100% , remove the meat.
asciilifeform disclaims : not pilot. but arrived at this hypothesis not entirely from empty space.
asciilifeform: ( all 'magic coads' aside -- flyers depend on massive and well-oiled supply chain; picked -- and not merely by bureaucrats, but by the very modern machine's similarity to programmable comp -- for 'colouring in the lines' ; prolly suffices. )
asciilifeform: famously peron was overthrown with help of the exactly 2 little jets kurt tank was able to build in argentina. but doubt that today could happen similarly in reich, i suspect that the 'modern' machines will neither take off nor land w/out magic coad from inca satellite.
asciilifeform: in this light, the current reich's all-out investment in aviation (formerly -- of expensive-but-working, today, 'f35' style) actually makes sense.
asciilifeform: infantryman can take rifle and 'go off reservation', and, like the famous lt. onoda, grease it with fat of killed policemen for 4 decades. pilot -- not so much.
asciilifeform: infantryman -- can go home with slaves, or even with 17 train cars fulla gold watches (gen. zhukov) . pilot goes home with -- shirt. and some memories.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:13:51 mp_en_viaje: i am aware various sysadmin-y folks flatter themselves that "something unixlike'd have existed anyway for our terminal&cmdline needs". this is utterly false, they'd have been clucking at GUI interfaces exactly like the medical profession / barristas everywhere, and been thankful when .jar finally rolled around.
asciilifeform: and consequently that pilot (dun matter what personal courage, physical strength, etc) for so long as stays in the profession, is at the mercy of process much like what mp described re comp operators
snsabot: Logged on 2016-09-26 15:36:06 a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 00:46 asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
asciilifeform: and i suspect the reason is along the lines of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-09-26#1548766 .
asciilifeform: observe that even in the period that e.g. wehrmacht soldiers ~were~ coming home with slaves, luftwaffe -- nope
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929364 << rereading this classic, had grim thought : consider the q mp_en_viaje posed at the end, 'Why is it, exactly, that the pilots didn't come home with a bunch of Iraqi slaves ?' :
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 06:04:55 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929222 << i honestly thought that was the steaming turd icon.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929348 << ftr that'd be 0x1f4a9 . doesn't seem to display on any linux i can find tho.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/no-platforms/ << Trilema -- No platforms!
mp_en_viaje: incidentally asciilifeform do you remember which trilema article has the herd of replicants drawing ?
asciilifeform wonders if trinque spat on the email thing and regged via e.g. 'mailinator'
mp_en_viaje: well, the registration includes an email, so i guess reset the pw
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 06:08:08 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929260 << you hafta register a new name to de-ssl or what's the idea ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 21:41:54 trinque: seriously considering opening a www channel into the bot
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929309 << this is going the oposite way of your stated principle neh ? www to implement a terminal in php via apache ? why not just use the existing terminal lol
mp_en_viaje: imo it's TRT.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 21:41:32 trinque: mnah, if I'm doing anything at all with "IRC" in the mix, I'm doing as little as possible
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929307 << that's a sound principle, but in practice it comes down to what he says : when stuck interfacing, use their interfacers. same logic powers "use fs to comm to apache" as powers "use znc between your proggy and freenode" etc.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 21:23:12 BingoBoingo: Latest is that what was a disaster appears to have been normalized in argentine dialog while Fitch just downgraded then from B to CCC
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929279 << this is like "degrading" a chick from 5'4 to 5'31/2. anyone who's anyone had long tuned out anyways.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 20:58:12 trinque: if we are content with that deedbot may come back under a different name (as if freenode is the canonical repository of anything) I'll remove the SSL cruft.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929260 << you hafta register a new name to de-ssl or what's the idea ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 12:24:53 asciilifeform: ♨ << loox like 'java log' ?!! (what's it doing in unicoad? is there 'coca cola' logo also?! and if not -- wainot?? )
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929222 << i honestly thought that was the steaming turd icon.
lobbes: asciilifeform: those were included in the original tarball in the "tests" directory
asciilifeform: hey lobbes , why is there a MB of log for some rando heathen chan inside that genesis ??
lobbes: but that; tomorrow. Now I sleep.
lobbes: ^^ and with that, I will turn my attention back to testing asciilifeform's logotron for importing the uniturds
asciilifeform would much like folx to start pressing the tree , and experimenting with own hands , rather than simply bringing tips to asciilifeform to make patch
lobbes: once I genesis the 'classic' #e logotron I intend to do some testing
asciilifeform: lobbes: you're invited to test locally , btw, don't have to wait for me
asciilifeform: lobbes: not 100% certain yet; will need to test
lobbes: likewise, is there anything you need from me to eat the historical #e logs?
lobbes: asciilifeform: with phf's uniturd fix in place, would you like me to repatch the following (with updated MANIFEST.TXT): http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/znc2tmsr-vpatch/ ?
asciilifeform: 100% current to deployed item .
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, panzers! logotron tree updated yet again .
asciilifeform: deployed to dulap.
asciilifeform: appears to work. ty trinque !
asciilifeform goes to try
trinque: remove the .loglines { float:left; clear:left; } and add .loglines { word-wrap: break-word; }
asciilifeform invites trinque to vpatch ; the posted tree is 100% current and patchable on
trinque: can with one of the multitudinous flags
asciilifeform: oh hah, css wrappage doesn't know how to break words, does it.
trinque: it's the phuctoring lines, standby for css hax
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 21:41:54 trinque: seriously considering opening a www channel into the bot
asciilifeform has been digging through phf's output to see how he wrapped, initially i copied his stylesheet but had to break it to get 'checkerboard'
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 22:48:05 asciilifeform: another page that breaks, apparently, wrapping
asciilifeform: actually some of the old pages look not-nice, currently chasing a rendering barf where lines overflow in certain 2015-16 pages
trinque: seriously considering opening a www channel into the bot
asciilifeform: ( tho tbf iirc trinque's bot, assuming it is close to the genesis'd item, would require a little doctoring to run under znc )
trinque: mnah, if I'm doing anything at all with "IRC" in the mix, I'm doing as little as possible
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:30:57 asciilifeform: for instance right nao anyone leasing a box on piz, can hear the pw
trinque: yep, just freenode auth blasts a password over the wire
trinque: asciilifeform: sure, but that seam runs all the way down to "what's freenode doing in there"
trinque: eh just a webshit that takes up a bunch of time.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 20:56:57 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927727 << precisely right. what wedges, from my investigation here and elsewhere, is the seam between cl+ssl and openssl.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929258 << hrm i cannot resist to ask : what's ssl doing in there ?
asciilifeform: trinque: whatcha working on these days ?
asciilifeform: tarsnap's www indeed pretty good . i remember it from a 2015 thread.
trinque: also hola asciilifeform, good to come up for air.
trinque: page needs more of that, and less in-group signaling imho
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and perhaps also , the 'Account management is done through RSA process' oughta point to mp's 'social engineering' article
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wRpPY/?raw=true << here's teh kind of thing I'd do
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: trinque has a point ; turn the 'BMC' into link to 1 of the pertinent qntras plox
asciilifeform: btw wb trinque
asciilifeform: it's been there since 1st day of new logtron
asciilifeform: trinque: apropos -- i took the liberty to put piz banner on http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/ ( btw open to improvements, if someone knows how to draw... )
BingoBoingo: Not at the moment.
trinque: running any ads anywhere for the site?
BingoBoingo: Latest is that what was a disaster appears to have been normalized in argentine dialog while Fitch just downgraded then from B to CCC
BingoBoingo: I'll have to take a break from reading news from the other side of the river for the laffs.