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mircea_popescu: so why do i care what ubuntu does ? i got the 10.04 burned. it's mine. forgetaboutit!
mircea_popescu: this is unlikely to EVER change. i tried to move it to gentoo but the attempt burned, toppled and sunk into the swamp.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: for instance : ubuntu sucks ass, especially the new versions, and the early ones. nevertheless, i use 10.04 as an easement / windows halfway house for all sorts of people.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that it makes any difference, really. if one is using python (or anything else) correctly, they pick something, and stick with it.
mircea_popescu: decimation if they don't have the balls to step all over the "pep" and "rights" of the "core team" and do whatever they will, they probably don't have the strength to matter anyway.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't get it. if the language was good, who cares about a fork ? it can be ignored like gavincoin, or burned to the ground at that. if the language sucked, then well... ?
mircea_popescu: decimation the quote was from some "python is killing python" post.
mircea_popescu: c) if people and companies invested time in shit that doesn't offer them a roi, this means they are stupid and should be punished. in no case does it mean they should get some compensatory candy.
mircea_popescu: b) why exactly is the expected "developing" ? afaik, a language should be set in stone. if this is the view entertained, what "evolution" the fuck do they wish ? if this isn't the view contemplated, why are they not on 3 yet!
mircea_popescu: this reads very brokenly to my eye, for many reasons, such as : a) people who can't afford things get no voice. this is what "financial reasons" means : shut the fuck up and go home. if you are poor, you aren't a person.
mircea_popescu: moreover, i don't get the following sort of nonsense : "One solution is to fork Python 2.7, and continue developing the language, adding features in a backwards compatible way so large, unportable (due to financial constraints) Python 2 applications can continue to evolve and improve and bring value to the people and companies that invested so much time developing them. "
mircea_popescu: this is a non-issue. there's no homesteading in software. some derps using X language don't acquire some sort of "rights", just like gavin, that "bitcoin chamber of commerce" pageant chick or max keiser did not acquire any sort of property over bitcoin by derping on the margins of it with abandon.
mircea_popescu: "With the long transition to “Python 3 by default” still in progress, the question is occasionally raised as to whether or not the core Python developers are acting as reasonable stewards of the Python language. "
mircea_popescu: decimation they lack the proper words to express themselves. what they mean is that it his private, sovereign domain, and he does whatever the fuck he likes, and anyone who doesn't care for it can go dangle.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes another aproach, but entirely for someone looking to sink a lifetime into this, is examining the failures (iirc there were a couple in there). see if any way to leverage this
mircea_popescu: (random.org does atmospheric noise, fermilab does decay, etc)
mircea_popescu: a decent approach is to compare your dataset to other datasets, especially ones obtained through different means
mircea_popescu: "you want to talk about X, you fail to cite and address Y, you are thereby a kook, go away"
mircea_popescu: further in defense of the nuts : "Nick Coghlan’s document should really be a required citation for any article advancing a new course for Python, because nobody is going to take you seriously if you don’t address" << this is very sensible.
mircea_popescu: "“They want everything for nothing. They wouldn’t go for five seconds without being paid. And they’ll bitch about how much they’re paid, and want more. I should do a freebie for Warner Brothers? What, is Warner Brothers out with an eye patch and a tin cup on the street? Fuck, no."
mircea_popescu: the point stil lremains tho. "stop trying to build your company out of our fucking hobby. hire some engineers, fucking cheapskates."
mircea_popescu: srsly, "not evil but good" "not reddit as much" ? incredible how stupid forms fucking stupid crystals.
mircea_popescu: at that point you are admitted as aprofessional in any discipline, when people consider that you may be trusted to never, ever, anywhere, use a term of art improperly. this is why they do four years' law and eight years' medical school, creativity malaplied can cost lives, topple bridges, destroy destinies. IT IS FORBIDDEN.
mircea_popescu: to support work efficiency in science there are employed certain words and fixed structures, whose meanings are amply debated, definitivwely fixated and then every participant uses them exactly. creative usage creates confusion, and are in fact the main barrier between the pro and the amateur in any field.
mircea_popescu: nobody has time to read specialty text with beginner's eyes, wonderments and speed, with care and dedication and "i wonder what the author meant" every word. it's not fiction, it's not a novel, its science, you read ten thousand pages a year minimum.
mircea_popescu: c patru ani de scoala la drept si opt ani de scoala la medicina, creativitatea prost aplicata poate costa vieti, darima poduri, nenoroci destine. E INTERZISA."
mircea_popescu: zbat amplu, se fixeaza definitiv, si apoi toti participantii la discutie le folosesc exact. Folosiri creative creeaza confuzie, si sunt de fapt principala bariera intre profesionisti si amatori in orice domeniu. Atunci esti admis ca profesionist in orice disciplina cind lumea considera ca ti se poate oferi increderea ca nu vei folosi niciodata, nicicand, niciunde, nici un termen de arta in sens impropriu. De asta se fa
mircea_popescu: the important bit for this convo being "nimeni nu are timp sa citeasca textele de specialitate cu ochi, uimiri si viteza de incepator, cu atentie si migala si "oare ce-a vrut sa spuna autorul" la fiecare cuvant. Nu-i fictiune, nu-i roman, e text stiintific, si se citesc cate zece mii de pagini pe an minim. Pentru a sustine eficienta muncii in stiinta se folosesc anumite cuvinte si structuri fixe ale caror sensuri se de
mircea_popescu: it deliberately and constructively is NOT natural language.
mircea_popescu: that list of defaults is what makes or breaks any intellectual endeavour.
mircea_popescu: their absence, on the other hand, is why gentoo sucks.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the massive savings of mental energy this relative approach offers is why we even have scientific paradigms in the first place
mircea_popescu: a simple serial iteration of "x as expected y as expected" can be followed and remembered momentarily.
mircea_popescu: if the discussion revolves around a tree five levels deep, with on average five leaves per branch, this is readily 3k items being discussed.
mircea_popescu: yeah, im aware really good scientists can listen to a two hour lab report, write down three lines and then reproduce it exactly.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, judging by how using things made by other people is going, i guess bitcoin will be its own language before this dustball settles.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne hey, wanna add bitbet reporting to the scoopbot_revived activity ?
mircea_popescu: name's actually vaguely familiar, intel must have had him in something or the other.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron bitfinex was at no point in its existence anything but a [very thinly veiled] scam.
mircea_popescu: it's like... they're so stupid and trying to hard they're just giving me free gains.
mircea_popescu: seriously, how inept do they need to be, these people. "unless everyone X currency will die" is ~exactly~ the wrong thing to say. everyone will not, currency will not die, now suddenly vice has [even more] egg on its face.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes getting that shit to compile is god's work. i imagine alf's set is untouched since 1993 and probably the last tiem anyone actually compiled it was back when paris hilton was still a virgin
mircea_popescu: seriously, ten bitcoins ? what did they do, make every woman in the office show me her tits ?
mircea_popescu: such as the idea that their sexual preferences are given by god.
mircea_popescu: the alternative would be to learn to live with fragmented sovereignity, which would require giving up pretty much everything the west has come to stand on.
mircea_popescu: it's an important point, perhaps where the chinese got the idea that they should center their force around rocketry.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform load average: 0.94 << need like 7 more workers ?
mircea_popescu: (hint, the fmj habit of naming the gun is not invented in us"
mircea_popescu: and continued to send over women and money to maintain peace
mircea_popescu: which pissed her off to the degree she ~wanted~ to declare war. except then she realise the mongols are about three times as strong as the chinese, so instead just wrote humble apology about being old and frail and bald,
mircea_popescu: incidentally, china during lu zhi is a very interesting case study. anyone recall the episode when the much more powerful mongols sent an emissary with practically that day's equivalent of PUA wisdom,