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snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 21:31:25 asciilifeform: lobbes: tangentially -- any idea why #e seems to have fallen into disuse ? since i stood up logger, saw ~0 life there
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929501 << i've been travelling so not playing ; danielpbarron left for greener pastures in the intellectual desert ; diana working more playing less these days, same for mocky i suspect ; hanbot and nicole travelling with me, it's just... large potion of the userbase simultaneously quit, from a naive pov. from the connected pov ~everyone will be back, especially as new server / client are avail.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 19:19:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho this patient oughta go straight to mp's operating room, if he'll have him
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929491 << dude, totally, john hopkins' right over there. why don't you ask the man out, buy him a steak, see ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929489 << nope ; on the contrary, mp instructed harem to similarily invite. time for write-in campaign!
mp_en_viaje: https://archive.is/m7grP << someone write to the fellow invite him over plox ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929441 << read about the nonsense later, for now you still risk it "snaps" into place.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 15:43:38 lobbes: asciilifeform: could you point me to some threads/reading re: this 'fuzzy-merge' concept? V is the only version-control patch system I've ever used, so I'm having trouble comparing it to the 'anti-models' (I've never used shithub, for e.g.).
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929440 << no, actually, your state is bliss, finding yourself as you are a man whom nobody taught nonsense. that you don't have to first unlearn "my hoovercraft is fulla eels" is a grand boon.
mp_en_viaje: or, for that matter, the russky vytiaz
mp_en_viaje: we're not even talking mac10 or uzi or anything here.
mp_en_viaje: in order to spray enough fuel to burn to death the same pile of spurious subhumanity, you'd need more than you can carry.
mp_en_viaje: something like the venerable sa 25 will empty its magazine in 5 seconds. that means 40x 9x19mm dribblets flying through the air. if you use the specialized russian rounds, can has 600m/s / 750 J exit energy, enough to defeat cheapo "bulletproof" vests.
snsabot: Logged on 2016-05-29 16:10:05 mircea_popescu: still, stuff like the raufoss mk211 is the exact pill for "oh, we're armored". orly ? well done, so the round won't blow clear through you! enjoy zirconium fire in your spleen!
mp_en_viaje: rifle is not bad for the purpose, especially if you get one with overpenetration. even pistols are ok. and if you take care of your ammo adequacy, armored police become preferred targets, let that zirconium burn their black innards.
mp_en_viaje: fi you don't have a bureaucracy, the kinetics of many-moving-hot-metal-bits still beats the thermodynamics of delta-energy.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 15:19:57 asciilifeform: anyffin to keep the 'feel like a trader'(tm) tards from waking up to fact that pressure washer + petrol easily mows down 1000+ , while e.g. kalash into crowd, lucky if 100.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929437 << this is iffy. fuel-air bombs win over nato rounds (and most all other nato ornance), which is why russia picked htem as their doctrine, because they're less-worse in the context, not because they're unisersally good.
mp_en_viaje: that'd increase his terror impact immensely.
mp_en_viaje: something like that, though. the one missing aspect of the manalone pushback is that he universally fails to meld back into the herd.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 15:16:57 asciilifeform: for that matter, observe, some of the most picturesque 'postals' were -- with sword. (picture, katana, in crowded subway.)
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929434 << sword takes training to use this way, noob wrists get tired. i can't find now where i put the "two smgs, make sure you mow down everyone in your car then come out screaming and flailing armss down the tunnel with the rest of the muppets, let Inca sort you out"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 21:31:25 asciilifeform: lobbes: tangentially -- any idea why #e seems to have fallen into disuse ? since i stood up logger, saw ~0 life there
diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929501 - eulora's next phase awaits the new client basically; so yes, it's been quiet in game too for quite a while.
lobbes: and okay. I'll bundle the eater fixes and znc2tmsr into the vpatch
lobbes: excellent; fix worked all #e lines ate. Now to inspect and test reader.py
asciilifeform: lobbes: you're invited to submit patch for eater also.
lobbes: re: upstack (to my surprise) loox like the bug on eating null payloads wasn't in my znc2tsmr code, but in fact in eat_dump.py. Barf for reference
lobbes: though I figure once mp is done traveling and diana_coman gets her young hands club running there may be more development chat in #e
lobbes: also Mocky has been silent for some time it seems
lobbes: asciilifeform: has been pretty quiet as of late. not sure why tbh. danielpbarron, Birdman, et al have been quiet as well, tho, and they were frequent players
asciilifeform: do the players use in-game chat nao , or wat
asciilifeform: lobbes: tangentially -- any idea why #e seems to have fallen into disuse ? since i stood up logger, saw ~0 life there
lobbes: asciilifeform: sounds good. So far it ate 160k lines of #e archive. However, found a bug in my znc2tmsr code where if line payload was null, my thing did not output a ';' at the end
asciilifeform: lobbes: put it in 'logconverters' subdir next to diana_coman's item .
asciilifeform: #e that is
asciilifeform: lobbes: let it eat the #u archive, then run reader.py, take a look at the known barf lines from before. if it ate correctly, make again vpatch (from current leaf of tree) and i'ma sign, then eat on dulap.
lobbes: had to add two lines to eat_dump.py; going to try now with a larger test dataset
lobbes: In logotron testing news, (as probably expected) eat_dump.py still barfing on uniturd eating. Studying phf's algo to see if I can get it working
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho this patient oughta go straight to mp's operating room, if he'll have him
BingoBoingo: I'll shoot him a note unless you want to invite him to meet up for lunch or something. Seems like he's still in your neighborhood.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You want him to land in your castle?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hey do you think you can get the good doktor povey to come & visit ?
BingoBoingo: China needs white men for their domestic stock photo industry
trinque: lolwut, that was a terminal window scroll
BingoBoingo: Well, he didn't specify what he'd be doing over there.
asciilifeform: 'if the worst comes to the worst I can always go to China or Russia' << lol, wasn't aware these needed american profs
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/john-hopkins-professor-gets-out-after-sanctions-for-entering-protester-occupied-building-to-attempt-work/ << Qntra -- John Hopkins Professor Gets Out After Sanctions For Entering Protester Occupied Building To Attempt Work
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-16 21:33:39 asciilifeform: trinque's sample is a+++ imho. oughta go in.
trinque: asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-16#1929288 << want me to cough up some more copy?
lobbes: about to read through eat_dump.py and do some testing
lobbes has been stepping through 'manually' for the most part; ran all of the lines in 'nsalog_schem.sql' one-by-one from psql commandline
trinque: two different things; he's talking about the shell tool, and you're talking about the sql command
lobbes: micro-nit, but I noticed the example syntax for creating a database in logotron README.txt is noted as 'createdb', but in most of the documentation I've checked it is 'CREATE DATABASE' (https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.4/sql-createdatabase.html)
asciilifeform: lobbes: over time there was series of small changes to that awk, to work around various congenital defects of gnupatch; ended up with phf et al writing entirely new replacement proggy, which is the current vdiff.
lobbes: ty trinque asciilifeform. This helped
lobbes: aha now that I recall using
lobbes: yeah, the pre-keccak used the shell-based vdiff iirc right?
asciilifeform: lobbes: observe that the hashes you see in vpatches , in the pre-keccak (i.e. pre- disposal of gnu diff ) are not generated by gnu diff
asciilifeform: only ask that the 'begin' and 'end' strings match the given
lobbes: I see the problem there
asciilifeform: lobbes: they don't hash at all, typically
lobbes: so in other words, the heathen patchers don't care if the prev hashes do not match?
asciilifeform: lobbes: there had been ad-hoc attempts by heathens to add signatures to patches (e.g. linus's) but afaik all permitted 'fuzzy'.
lobbes will also check out that likbez, ty
lobbes: oh okay. I was not aware the others did not do this... yeah that shoehorning sounds... dumb
trinque: i.e. matches the prev and suceeding lines in the diff
asciilifeform: lobbes: in traditional heathen patching, gnupatch will attempt to shoehorn a patch into place for so long as it does not entirely conflict with the existing text
asciilifeform: lobbes: observe that vpatches carry hashes, and demand that the output of prev. patch , going back to genesis, has to specific value. i.e. prohibit 'fuzzy'
lobbes: or rather, that string does not ring bells
lobbes: asciilifeform: could you point me to some threads/reading re: this 'fuzzy-merge' concept? V is the only version-control patch system I've ever used, so I'm having trouble comparing it to the 'anti-models' (I've never used shithub, for e.g.).
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 14:51:34 asciilifeform: diana_alt: fella seems to have profound talent for reading text w/out ~actually~ reading. (for instance, escaped noticing that primary diff. b/w a vpatch and a heathen patch, isn't that it is pgp signed (heathens had pgp-signed patches 20y ago) but that it doesn't fuzzy-merge.
asciilifeform: meanwhile : imho good pedagogic thrd in #o .
asciilifeform: anyffin to keep the 'feel like a trader'(tm) tards from waking up to fact that pressure washer + petrol easily mows down 1000+ , while e.g. kalash into crowd, lucky if 100.
asciilifeform: this is why reich propaganda machine tirelessly repeats the line where 'postal, is what you do with rifle, let's fixate on rifle'
asciilifeform: fire -- even better than sword.
asciilifeform: for that matter, observe, some of the most picturesque 'postals' were -- with sword. (picture, katana, in crowded subway.)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hey, hammer was entirely goodenuff for the franks.
BingoBoingo: And using it like that is why the US is following Argentina to the manure pile. https://archive.is/A4VH3 Hammer works
asciilifeform: usg's war machine, such as it exists, is largely this box where general keys in coords and 'drop 20 tonnes this-here'
BingoBoingo: Hammers kill more UStards annually than rifles do...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well why would anyone drop 20 tonnes on lone colonel jogging? Makes more sense to pick them off one by one.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: rright, with the only diff being that, of yet, there is no one to drop the earned 20 tonnes on ~their~ head
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The US colonels do that too http://qntra.net/2018/07/security-personnel-continue-leaking-location-and-activity-information-through-fitness-apps/
asciilifeform: 'hey is that a 20 tonne gas-air bomb falling on our head?' 'aha. must be will of allah.'
asciilifeform: recall isis colonel who posted jpeg of his position, complete with coords, to arsebook.
mp_en_viaje: the weevs of over there, as it were.
mp_en_viaje: i expect, socialmedia tards, really.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They chicoms have at least one weird fighter that appears to not be clone.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the most striking aspect was just how unfamiliar with women or womanhood they found themselves. it's like an agricultural manual that omits any discussion whatsoever of soil acidity or inclination, focuses greatly on the zodiac.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik chinese to this day fly 100% license-built ru machines (with minor cosmetic modifications)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 14:17:38 asciilifeform: imho this hypothesis has explanatory power, in re usg's eagerness (against protest of all of the generals!) to scrap, e.g. the famous 'warthog'
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929384 << Note that global state of the art in this area has fallen from Warthog to Super Tucano. Much as the SR-71 and concorde are gone, the Warthog has been out of print for a while. Maybe the Chicoms make a flying tank at some point, but the art has fallen from flying tank to flying toyota Hilux
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: pretty sure it was linked. and imho not entirely surprising -- these folx were still sitting in trees when europe was puzzling over jurisprudence . so naturally they will write 'buggy reimplementation of 80% of lis^H^H^H justinian et al' , just as they 'invent' caesar's cipher etc
mp_en_viaje: i gotta find that "isis manual" now, was such a piece of lulzy idiocy...
mp_en_viaje: or w/e, if the inventor of shorthand not good enough, claudius' mother was a whore named a caneis.
mp_en_viaje: this is the female lifecycle : 1. menstruation ; 2.1. taken slave by republican | 2.2 taken slave by slave | 2.3. rots untaken. then 2.1 goes on to mother M.T. Tiro ; 2.2 goes on to mother a buncha redditards.
asciilifeform: empire of rome detectably 'wanted' to be something like today's reich, aha. didn't have the industrial process to make it stick tho.
mp_en_viaje: in republic, personal. and they had sired out of them some of the better republicans.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, not really the case -- in empire, ALSO imam-distributed.