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asciilifeform: piz pipe is not gonna set any speed records. (however, is extremely reliable, e.g. asciilifeform gets ssh sessions that last 3-4 months)
asciilifeform: 'go to war with the pipe you have, not the pipe you wish you had'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: ( and imho further suggests that pipe is culprit )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that loox realistic.
BingoBoingo: From other machine time goes up a smidge: "real 0m0.035s"
BingoBoingo: right, these are tests on the one that's running
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 33 logger is off atm
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I don't think that will be needed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/05a8I/?raw=true
asciilifeform: the logger does not depend on dnsism to work ( can set the domain in /etc/hosts like e.g. mp does )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: naked ip also worx (lemme know if you want the 2nd logger on 33 switched on , to try moar )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: meanwhile trying on other machine seems solved for the right reason "rl: (6) Could not resolve host: logs.nosuchlabs.com"
asciilifeform: diana_alt's, on other hand, is very similar to mine, i.e. no substantial diff b/w main and 'naked'
BingoBoingo: Possible, don't have ssh into any cabinet machines that aren't serving things
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo's output is pretty interesting -- how is it that he gets >2x the wait from ~local~ machine than diana_alt from europistan.
asciilifeform: ty diana_alt , BingoBoingo . (i'ma switch off the 2nd logger for nao, will run it again if anyone requests, later)
asciilifeform: ( keep in mind that the links in the loaded page still point to the original )
asciilifeform: in my own test, there is no substantial detectable diff
asciilifeform: ( diana_alt lemme know after tried, i'ma switch it off, it's an unhygienic thing )
BingoBoingo: diana_alt: I never managed to deploy anything that worked as needed on nginx. I managed things that almost work on lighttpd, but it simply lacks the good stuff apache offers for blogs.
asciilifeform: diana_alt: reasons to suspect the pipe, include this: i have stood up temporarily a raw flask on port 33. try time curl "http://logs.nosuchlabs.com:33/log" > /dev/null
diana_alt: ah, nm, now I saw it in the footnote - it is L1 only
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-19 13:53:04 diana_alt: asciilifeform: atm all my auth except this travel key are in various degrees of deep freeze but if it's not tested until I get back to my usual terminal, I'll try it out
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plz perform the simple experiment suggested by diana_alt and tell result.
diana_alt: ah, I *was* wondering re nginx as my only recollection of it was BingoBoingo trying it out and ending up with more trouble than it's worth
asciilifeform: ( had not, prior to folx observing 'logger is slow, say wai' , taken the sweat to properly monitor where in the typical page load is time spent and on what )
asciilifeform: previously i chalked this up to 'slow pipe'. now suspect also the proxying proggy.
asciilifeform: the reason why i currently suspect nginx as the culprit, is that i observed very similar delay when loading static (e.g. FG photograph) files via same.
asciilifeform: neither phuctor nor logger is written in such a way as to force the choice of either nginx or apache as the front-side proxy, will eat either just the same. simply requires the appropriate config.
asciilifeform: ( at one pt, long ago, when baked phuctor, asciilifeform had a preference for nginx, but it turned out to be ill-founded . currently both phuctor and log www are served by a nginx . )
asciilifeform: diana_alt: i have plan to move the box to traditional apache, but yet not figured out how to do so w/out unacceptably long disruption of service .
asciilifeform: i get (and on rather slow machine) load time for the 'heavy' example page comparable to the time it takes for the mouse button to go up an' down.
asciilifeform: diana_alt: if you press the vtree and set up the logger on own box, where you happen to be, and import the daily db dump, can then observe the 'native' speed of the thing.
asciilifeform: pipe delay ( piz <-> asciilifeform's chair , cannot be generalized to entire planet ) varies from 0.2-0.4s (for revvup of tcp pipe, that is)
asciilifeform: delay disappears when accessed on localhost at the 'high' (nonpublic) port where the py proggy itself is answering
diana_alt: asciilifeform: atm all my auth except this travel key are in various degrees of deep freeze but if it's not tested until I get back to my usual terminal, I'll try it out
asciilifeform: diana_alt: however, if accessed from localhost on ~public port~ (80) then yes same delay
asciilifeform: diana_alt: i do not currently know, atm i only have access to 1 piz machine. if you have time, plz try from yours and share result.
diana_alt: asciilifeform: hm, does it vanish if accessed from other-machine-at-pizarro too?
asciilifeform: when someone sets up this logger outside of piz, i suppose will tell us sumthing re subj.
asciilifeform: diana_alt: fwiw i was not, to date, able to rule out mp's 'overworked pipe' hypothesis .
asciilifeform: diana_alt: there defo is. i've measured up to 0.6s (and all outside of the py proggy per se, i.e. vanishes if accessed at localhost )
diana_alt: so there's still a totally unknown but significant delay on logger, weird stuff
asciilifeform: lobbes: possibly it can even be used to bake a phf-style refill/sync system that eats znc.
asciilifeform: lobbes: i'ma try your proggy tomorrow. ideally time finally came to eat all of the back-archives.
BingoBoingo: tried decrypting the wrong block
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Looks like you targeted the wrong key
lobbesbot: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
lobbes: !Qlater tell BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hCbR8/?raw=true
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell lobbes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jlW5I/?raw=true
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-borderline-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Borderline. Adnotated.
asciilifeform: can't seem to recall, grr, what it called itself
asciilifeform: it was the 1 that ended up with vendetta against ben_vulpes somehow
mp_en_viaje: i thought that was the alice character
asciilifeform: that one pretty certain was a 'tits service' candidate who turned out to be some d00d, compl. w/ stubble
mp_en_viaje: and the other one is exactly the same situation : very good and clearly related, but not the exact item, which i am positive included the strings "you are male still" "abused your body"
asciilifeform: hrm this was defo mentioned. but so far defies shovel.
mp_en_viaje: now, the item you found is quite related, conceptually, but still, discusses women's equivalent issue.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the footnote is very good, but NOT actually the item i was looking for ;/ which is, i can see it in my mind'seye, specifically a line in the lgo saying that the problem with intelligent people is that they want to put that intelligence to use. the context was something about dying in the trenches.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-01-08 12:19:52 mircea_popescu: the claim "i am female" is fraudulent ; you are male and will die male. this is something decided at birth and unalterable.
asciilifeform: aaand here's the other one
mp_en_viaje: o fuck me ty so very much!
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22alice_m%22 << look at that.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: that was in the "alice_m" thrd.
mp_en_viaje: not in log, npot on trilema, vanished.
mp_en_viaje: and meanwhile progressed to also missing a line where i say "if you were born male, you're male still, irrespective of how you might've abused your body in the meanwhile".
mp_en_viaje: nfi where that is ;/
asciilifeform: was translation iirc. where 'but anyone could parallel park using steering wheel! troo sport is to do it without wheel, said the sprezzaturist' or similar
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it was in an old trilema piece, the one about 'sprezzatura'
snsabot: Logged on 2018-05-01 03:43:31 mircea_popescu: fellow strikes me as intelligent in conversation, then i keep having somehow the exact sort of problems with him that i usually have with idiots : i have no fucking idea what's going on, and i have to twist arms to sorta find out, maybe.
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, anyone happen to recall where the fuck i put in the log a line about how the problem with intelligent people is that they don't want mere solutions, but specifically solutions that rely on that intelligence.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-18 09:51:47 hanbot_derpy: i wonder if that's an historical pattern, vague fiction - brink of hell.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-18#1929551 << this i suspect is right on the money. consider the liquishit that was printed in the interwar years.
asciilifeform utterly fails to see the connection
mp_en_viaje: notice pizarro's success to date.
asciilifeform: this is entirely tru. but such target not exactly rare.
mp_en_viaje: by all means, so what, train women to hipthrust ? the main ingredient there was the happiland social club, not the 3 liters of petrol.
asciilifeform: (granted -- the victims did 99% of the work for him, by packing into ridiculous small space and stampeding )
mp_en_viaje: this is about as idiotic as saying "mother of gengis khan killed most of europe with one good hip thrust"
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc record holder in usa to this day ( re total count ) was the 'happiland' d00d, where 80+ on 3 litres of petrol
asciilifeform: i was speaking of the sword-in-subway folx
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, from experience, that is not so. consider elliot, he didn't even fucking train.
mp_en_viaje: the one utility for thermodynamic weaponry is discussed in http://trilema.com/2015/a-blast-from-the-past-or-the-molotov-cocktail-guide-this-is-how-you-win/ ; they're good for disrupting positioningof enemy
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-18 09:05:23 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929434 << sword takes training to use this way, noob wrists get tired. i can't find now where i put the "two smgs, make sure you mow down everyone in your car then come out screaming and flailing armss down the tunnel with the rest of the muppets, let Inca sort you out"
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-18#1929516 << my understanding is that folx who choose swords, tend to be the ones who practiced with same
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-18 09:07:42 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929437 << this is iffy. fuel-air bombs win over nato rounds (and most all other nato ornance), which is why russia picked htem as their doctrine, because they're less-worse in the context, not because they're unisersally good.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-18#1929520 << imho the correct historical comparison would be, rather, mcarthur's 'fire jobs', rather than modern-day item made for puncturing fortifications.
mp_en_viaje: "Google engineer Neil Fraser, who works in the company's education department," with tards like that, no wonder google's not worth the lint in my pocket.
mp_en_viaje: then he uses https://neil.fraser.name/writing/patch/pattern-pp.png "patterns in pride and prejudice", because a) that ignominous dumb cunt is somehow to be referenced, in literature. AS FUCKING IF. and then, because code has the fuck anything to do with language, at all.
mp_en_viaje: it is ~ALWAYS~ harder to not do something stupid than to do it. which is why the whole discussion re povey above, too.
mp_en_viaje: i can almost hear the cageworthy old woman impelling the nonsense, too, "oh, why don't you want to do $random-stupid-shit, ~are you too scared?!?!?!?~".
mp_en_viaje: this is the fuck they do all the fuck day long, ain't it. take something that should never be done, pretend like the doing is "more complicated" than the not doing through the transparent venue of applying cuntlogic, and so act like it's somehow heroic.
mp_en_viaje: "However, the program becomes more complicated when the two copies of the base document are not identical. In these cases the patch program must do the best job it can in applying the " << motherfucker monkeys, how the fuck did this rank imbecile manage to make stupidity sound like "a challenge" ?
hanbot_derpy: i wonder if that's an historical pattern, vague fiction - brink of hell.
mp_en_viaje: if you review period fiction, it's present in a majority of items, too. just as vague, unanchored... making it all retrospectively so fucking obvious.
mp_en_viaje: heck, the 90s passed by undetected, i had nfi as late as 1999 besides a vague, unanchored and inexpressible feeling "something's wrong"
mp_en_viaje: in truth, the nonsense's way the fuck more obviously grating these days than in the 90s or 2000s.
hanbot_derpy: yeah, good for him for potentially wasting less time with the apparatus.
hanbot_derpy: howdy, ty. just wanted to say i'ma write to the povey d00d, has a sort of pre-joe stack feel...
mp_en_viaje: hey there.