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mircea_popescu: per capita that I would trust this person with".
fluffypony: that's why I was asking
fluffypony: I did read it
ThickAsThieves: i suppose not, assuming they are logged by several trustworthy parties
HeySteve: yeah that's what I mean, we must trust nanotube and gribble
ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt frame it as a problem per se
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: well atm the db is 3mb, so I don't see it growing massively - double-ish that size if every single rating was updated:-P
HeySteve: imposing costs for certain actions turns the WoT into something of a business, I'd favour that way to limit spam
fluffypony: nanotube: if I get a bit of time I can make the changes and submit a PR?
nanotube: well, i have logs... but i didn't think it would be useful to bloat the db with historical crud.
punkman: I remember seeing a link for dowloading the data in bulk on -otc.com, was it deprecated?
fluffypony: nanotube: I was looking at gribbles db
mircea_popescu: i posit such a thing is impossible.
HeySteve: I understand, I am looking more for an economic reason why doing things that way leads to failure
mircea_popescu: HeySteve the only reason i comment is because you seemed to want to know why i wouldn't use it.
ThickAsThieves: i'll stay ot
HeySteve: hmm well, in the context I propose incentivising certain behaviours and taxing others, there is no central authority doing it. there is the code which people are free to use
mircea_popescu: hugely compelx anthropotopic, this. and i am not actually arguing against clothes per se
mircea_popescu: i didn'tg say "it's in every case bad"
HeySteve: I agree it has great application to politics, yet I still don't see why incentivising people to join the WoT is bad
HeySteve: well, I was discussing the failings of democracy elsewhere as it's SA election day today
Naphex: i remember crypto channels, with WoT auth
ThickAsThieves: i believe we discussed similar ideas in the past
ThickAsThieves: ok, now i did mention this metaWoT being handled by an independent party
mircea_popescu: HeySteve i think you misconstrue the scope of the wot.
Apocalyptic: mircea, <HeySteve> another issue I forsee with rating of unregistered parties, is people extending the scope of the WoT beyond its intended purpose of recording Bitcoin trades. people will use it to downrate TV characters from soap operas
HeySteve: I'm thinking there's a whole raft of WoT-related improvements only possible with some degree of hierarchial organisation
HeySteve: another issue I forsee with rating of unregistered parties, is people extending the scope of the WoT beyond its intended purpose of recording Bitcoin trades. people will use it to downrate TV characters from soap operas
chetty: I suppose the whole internet functions as a punishment gazette
ThickAsThieves: i suppose there is a more broken up punishment gazette, the blogosphere and forums etc
mircea_popescu: <davout> ThickAsThieves: i wonder if that's really a good idea << i don't think it is.
HeySteve: <+fluffypony> an alias is irrelevant unless it links to an identity <- I disagree. someone doesn't have to know your real name to trade with you based on ratings
davout: ThickAsThieves: if i wanted to argue the opposite i'd say criminals that aren't in the wot weren't part of the economy in the first place, so that would be a non-issue
ThickAsThieves: (i could spend time arguing otherwise)
HeySteve: I can see the value of rating unregistered entities
ThickAsThieves: i do too
davout: ThickAsThieves: i wonder if that's really a good idea
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if this could be managed by an independent part
ThickAsThieves: not that this is a 'problem' but i'd also like to see a way to rate entities which haven't registered in the WoT yet
fluffypony: I've just checked the db
ThickAsThieves: pankakke's concern being one i also share, lack of historical ratings
ThickAsThieves: I dont think it's hard to argue that the current WoT could be improved
ThickAsThieves: <bitcoinpete> speaking of the gaming industry, looks like it's promo, promo, zaniness http://www.tweaktown.com/news/37531/bungie-s-destiny-could-top-gta-5-as-most-expensive-game-ever/index.html /// i just watched the trailer this morning, looks okay, but kinda missing some sizzle if it wants to beat GTA
ThickAsThieves: <+HeySteve> right, I get it. I am trying to finetune the WoT system without fixing what ain't broke. this is a definite point of improvement /// you are fixing it by making something, or fixing your brain?
DrewHorne: where do you think i get my money from?
HeySteve: right, I get it. I am trying to finetune the WoT system without fixing what ain't broke. this is a definite point of improvement
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, yes I've read that
DrewHorne: so i could earn trust by either performing a task for someone and demonstrating competency or by purchasing something from someone with bitcoin and just paying them immediately and correctly
mircea_popescu: HeySteve http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/ i meant that
DrewHorne: i guess i missed the convo on beating small children
pankkake: 1) I'm an assburger 2) but I would rather talk to the ones with the oldest initial rating, anyway
mircea_popescu: pankkake it does have a chilling effect, because sometimes i'm hesitant to update very old ratings, and just let them be "good enough"
fluffypony: pankkake: I suppose you could talk to the rater and ask them?
DrewHorne: i do not
DrewHorne: so where do i go lurk for something to successfully do to get rated and earn trust?
pankkake: it's too bad that you only see the last update of a rating. I feel like it has value to know when it appeared first
mircea_popescu: no, actually, i was wrong o.O
thestringpuller: damn i feel old
DrewHorne: so thats basically saying that i am now registered on the wot but i have 0 trust thus far
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller so do i :D
thestringpuller: /msg mircea_popescu i have naked pix of hot models
DrewHorne: how do i check my trust with gribble? i saw that yall were checking me on it last night, that basically checks with gribble on the wot correct?
pankkake: I like the point where you'd have to trust other shareholder's opinions. I certainly wouldn't want that
fluffypony: and I'm trying to understand why it's so important to them
pankkake: I wonder how history will work in the future. You used to have not enough data, now you have too much
mircea_popescu: i dunno that there could be a better one, should get magna.
mircea_popescu: they would be building context in the way of the noob, rather than i nthe way of the sacred cow.
mircea_popescu: i would propose going backwards actually.
fluffypony: when I get some time I may actually go hunting for someone to do that
fluffypony: I was too focused on food-chewers
fluffypony: true, I somehow glossed over that comment
mircea_popescu: but what did i say!
fluffypony: huh? I got shot down when I suggested that we get someone part-time to sift through logs and make an ongoing anthology?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you didn't get shot down ? i supported it, what did you think "fluffypony on the topic of how good design begets business." meant ?
mircea_popescu: i tell you it's not my mood, that'd be like saying the girl was horny. no, no, it was in your approach, not in her horniness i tell you! he somehow, improbably, managed to whistle into the modem.
mircea_popescu: the magnificent assets have any suggestion as to what i should say to the redditard next ?
fluffypony: LOL: http://i.imgur.com/Q0ByOEI.jpg
mircea_popescu: i don't think there ever existed or could ever exist a functioning society in which nursing jobs are to be discounted because too little demand and too many people wanting to do it.
mircea_popescu: now granted, if the thing they want to do is i dunno, watch tv, then one could say "how about you do this instead".
mircea_popescu: well yes she speaks english, she was born in texas or something, i forget.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: if she speaks English, why doesn't she look at the TEFL stuff and similar? I have a friend in Cape Town who teaches English via Skype to foreigners, she doesn't have to speak a foreign language, just has to be able to speak English
mircea_popescu: couldn't pay for my fucking coffee. not all the coffee i drink in a week, either, just, one time.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: lol, I read that as "cautious renters" and I was like "how does this relate to people who rent?"
frankenmint: hmm thanks for sharing that wow I'm checking it out
frankenmint: yea which means cutting corners, some hardware hosting folks I talked to mentioned that large private mining clients want barebones power to setup their own rigs and cooling
fluffypony: I get the feeling that the only people buying GPU rigs atm are people who want to buy them cheaply
frankenmint: I got my package from you finally
fluffypony: I think you should part it out
bitcoinpete: and with that, i bid ye adieu and bon soir
bitcoinpete: TheNewDeal: it is looking pretty darn sure… i'll mull it over for a day and let you know
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: I feel like I missed the action :-P
fluffypony: mircea_popescu:incidentally, it occurs to me someone should do a topic summary of this channel. what have we been discussing today, music, heaters, beating small children, points of history of cryptography academic publications minutia, radiobiology <- last time I suggested I got shot down: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2014#653313 ☝︎
fluffypony: TheNewDeal: I'm a poor gambler, and don't know enough about it to make a commitment
TheNewDeal: anyone here interested in purchasing 1 BTC on YES for http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/ ? I'll give you a 9% premium on current timeweight
peterl: if you buy it, you can trade the shares for euros on bitcoincentral, I think?
peterl: hmm, not a real hot seller, I don't think that is where the mpoe action is going
benkay: if i don't respond within fifteen minutes i'm offline.
Drew: i'll prolly be lurking around here trying to have a structured way of thinking beaten into me eventually
Drew: i know
Drew: one day i would like to see a bitcoin ticketing platform