asciilifeform: the ultimate mega-death-star reference work on the subject is 'garbage collection algorithms for automatic dynamic memory management' (r. jones & r. d. lins)
asciilifeform: typically one has multiple levels of storage for objects with different ranges of expected lifetime
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: beg to differ. there are very good algos for garbage collection with hard real-time guarantees. they are complicated and i know of no system other than common lisp where they are implemented with any quality.
asciilifeform: c doesn't do the garbage collection thing at all
asciilifeform: it's about the get-the-microshit-out-of-my-fucking-face-i-dont-care-what
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't about the money. talk to a 30+ year apple user. the kind that stuck to it 'through thick and thin'
asciilifeform: creating eternal turds that never get collected
asciilifeform: mega-lulz when they pop the hood and succeed anyway
asciilifeform: which would be, on such systems, the only means for crafting a self-referential data structure
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on systems with reference-counting, users are normally barred from directly manipulating cons cells
asciilifeform: i suspect that a sizable majority of apple users, if offered the choice between using winblows and being buggered with a thermos, complete with handle, every night,
asciilifeform: 'My wife got through her Master's on a G3 iBook, and we paid to have its motherboard replaced twice for the same graphics issue, a little over a year apart. Having to pay for the first repair sucked, but sometimes those are the odds. Having to pay to repair it a second time due to identical symptoms a couple of months after the initial repair warranty was up was a kick in the teeth, and was a good indicator that there was some☟︎
asciilifeform: on the strength of a reputation that has long been entirely, thoroughly baseless.
asciilifeform: the 'secret' is that *no one* is making quality hardware. but apple is the most egregious sc4mz0r, for continuing to maintain the pretense.
asciilifeform: well, not merely circular, but self-referential in any form
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reference counting... [david moon tale] ...but sure, it'd be great if it worked << there are quite a few systems which used reference-counting in garbage collector (other than in the demented c++ and apple systems, it is generally used in a garbage collector to determine 'what's garbage?'.) appears in, e.g., wolfram's 'mathematica.' down side: cannot have circular data structures.
asciilifeform: and yes, it started with eu 'rohs' mandate for lead-free.
asciilifeform: and in particular, in ways liable to render it unbootable
asciilifeform: for the record: this is not needed on 'production' units! only for folks actively screwing with the os
asciilifeform: anyway, whoever wants to prepare conductive glue can follow simple recipe, epoxy resin and aluminum powder. heavy on the latter. but don't say i didn't warn...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if can't solder this, should ask a friend. it is a first class bitch to debug pogo w/out a serial console
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...there's very few people outside of b-a with brains working worth two shits... << l0l! or were you just thinking of the 'non-marginal' folks who don't 'depend on paycheques'
asciilifeform: mod6: thanks for posting a tarball << it contains a 12MB turd (mostly nulls) that can be booted to show that netbsd boots on pogo and diddles the network. that's all
asciilifeform: (and if not today then tomorrow when room temp changes)
asciilifeform: phriends don't let phriends conductive glue. it just sucks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it doesn't NEED soldering, you can just glue it in contact, with conductive paste << Nnn-o. conductive glue is a -waste of time and money- unless you're making cheapo resistors
asciilifeform: radecraft and the identity of human assets; (d) the targets and focus of CIA's intelligence collection and operations, and (e) the location of CIA covert facilities. Accordingly, the Court grants Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment'. Accordingly, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment (Doc. 28) is GRANTED, and this action is DISMISSED without prejudice.'
asciilifeform: litigation of Plaintiffs claims would present an unjustifiable risk of disclosure of classified information regarding (a) the identities of CIA officers and employees, (b) the job titles, duties, work assignments of Plaintiff and other covert employees, and the criteria and reasons for making the work assignments and employment decisions regarding them, (c) sources and methods used by covert employees, including operational t
asciilifeform: ''After careful consideration of the public and classified pleadings, the Court holds that Plaintiffs claims must be dismissed under the state secrets privilege because (1) privileged information is at the heart of Plaintiffs claims for discrimination on the basis of disability and race, hostile work environment and retaliation, (2) Defendants cannot defend this action without relying on privileged information, and (3) further
