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mircea_popescu: heck, no further
than last week,
that susan sontag is not a moron without remainder
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
that
the left may even be a
thing, for instance.
Framedragger: but not all. however,
this is a shitty position
to argue for. :(
Framedragger: phf: i agree with
the latter. if nothing else - why not; sure. and sure, a *lot* of busy activity reduces
to netflix in one way or another.
mircea_popescu: it could also be "if
they
think
they're so smart,
they could at least
take a step further
than
the supposed geniuses of
the left WHO DO NOT DARE
TRY ARGUE
THE POINT, and present
their objections."
phf: and i will double down on "never amount
to anything", even if
to
the bulk of
those people busy activity might feel very meaningful. "i'm watching netflix, it's important
to relax!" etc.
phf: in
this case amazement could be, "if nothing else, why
then ~at
the very least~ not
tmsr"?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger
the individual's
to assess
the individual level, obviously.
mircea_popescu: phf well yes, buyt he gets
to define his
terms in pursuit of his
theory.
phf: for every
theo de raadt where you could argue some kind of "openbsd vs
tmsr",
there's
thousands of potentially useful folks who waste
their
time with "job" and "side projects",
that never amount
to anything
Framedragger: this only works in aggregate form
though, i guess - difficult
to assess at individual level. (but maybe
that's
the point.)
mircea_popescu: i suppose. it'd have
to be close
to
the fundamentals , as it is fundamental.
phf: amazement is not necessarily about "why are useful folks ignore how obviously awesome
tmsr is and leave"?
Framedragger: heh,
this is close
to entropy (and inequality as 1/entropy)
mircea_popescu: we could go by proxy -- if inequality diminishes from one generation
to
the next, it can be broadly said
that
the generation
that passed was useless below
the point of nullity. was anti-useful.
Framedragger: yeah, i suppose so - it's not a small
thing
to ask for at any rate...
mircea_popescu: i'm not sure it can be formulated in a
too compact manner.
Framedragger: is
there a definition of usefulness
that you'd agree
to? (note, if it refers
to
tmsr, it's circular, of course)
mircea_popescu: conceivably a
time will come when
they've had enough of
the gargle.
mircea_popescu: humanity decayed into an apparently botomless pit of liquid shit on
the lead wings of
three centuries worth of "intelligent" folks doing "their own
thing" away from
the republic.
mircea_popescu: and completely useless in any sense worth
the mention.
Framedragger: you're right, ultimately i'm challenged
to answer "what is
the middle,
then", if i claim
the falseness. and i (again) do not have much recourse here. i only have individual anecdata of "intelligent folks doing
their own
thing", completely disjoint from
tmsr.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between an inconvenient dichotomy (a purely political notion) and a false dichotomy, just like
there's a difference between a painful
triangle lodged up your ass and an escherian construction
that may only exist on paper.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-09 01:56 asciilifeform: while we have
this
thread: i often come back in my head
to
the question of why folx visit, and
then choose
to go back
to being-sad.
mircea_popescu: is
there a
third alternative ? are
the
two lobes really
the same
thing ? what makes it false ?
mircea_popescu: this is a category,
the false dichotomy. it's defined, an actual
thing. you know, if you say
this is an apple and i ask how's it an apple you show it matches
the salient parts of
the definition.
Framedragger: not
to bait or anything - i mean
this charitably and honestly. it's just not
the most productive approach, imho.
Framedragger: this works
to strengthen
the notion
that
tmsr is apex of importance/awesomeness/etc.; as otherwise one would be exposed
to
the possibility
that "maybe we're not so important here anyway." :)
a111: Logged on 2017-03-09 01:56 asciilifeform: while we have
this
thread: i often come back in my head
to
the question of why folx visit, and
then choose
to go back
to being-sad.
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-09#1623585 << i humbly
think
there is a bit of a false dichotomy happening here (first approximation of what "here" is could be, "mircea_popescu's head.") either X is doing useful work for
tmsr, or X is necessarily wasting
time doing whatever-X-but-not-tmsr'y
things (including "having dayjob(s)", "large side-project", etc.)
☝︎ mircea_popescu: such is
the unspeakable advantage of decerebrated life.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile
the surviving flea imagines itself
the first and only flea history has seen.
mircea_popescu: like im not gonna fuck
them with
the wide side of
the
toiulet plunger.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
there's
this readily self-bestowed delusion of security.
mircea_popescu: if california democrats
think
they're going
to escape,
they need
to know
they're getting fucked.
mircea_popescu: onlooker get a proper client and stop with
the join/part lest you get banned.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ..the bottle? << Apparently makes newsmen in
tradition of cazalla and BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu is vaguely amused at
the synchronization of
the ladies-behind-the-lords : just as one's sucked in, another's spat out.
mircea_popescu: i imagine he's now going
to spend a pleasant half hour seing various alphanumeric strings on assorted parts.
mircea_popescu: i don't ask suck
things in person, as you well know i'm socially shy. gotta do it from behind kbd.
mircea_popescu: and yeah, bring her over, i wanna ask her why she don't do
teh boob scribbling
mircea_popescu: oh, is your girl
the deep font of all
the we-thought-it-was-specifically-alfish big-usg conspiracism ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps explain
to him
that
the entire point is for "the people"
to be doomed, and i mean it quite literally, warsaw ghetto liquidation style.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure
that's also a romanian
tale. something with valley of eternal life and
the maidens
thereof ?
mircea_popescu: that latter part happens here all
the fucking
time, at
that.
mircea_popescu: which in
turn is driven by --
the fact
that you're capable
to abstractly form criteria is not useful if
those criteria exclude "the whole world", because well, by definition
that's not a criteria ; and if
this situation is passible of occuring, you're in
the meta-unfortunate position where you lack
the outside authority
that may challenge
the parts where your abstracted criteria are actually misstated.
mircea_popescu: because
that's entirely what sadness is :
the perception of
the impossibility of a criteria, formed on
the basis of extended periods of absent criteria.
mircea_popescu: in short :
there's no shortage of distractions, and sorting
through
them requires a criteria, which is fundamentally incompatible with sadness.
mircea_popescu: it's built over numerous attempts,
through miscalibrated point "improvements"
mircea_popescu: socially inept males aren't born socially inept, nor do
they build
their ineptitude in a day.
mircea_popescu: not
to mention, it wouldn't be
the first
time. you understand
this ? most
tried
things, in a widening fan, a la alf's own nsa attempt.
mircea_popescu: there's plenty of bottles everywhere ; and one who's blind drunk already has serious
trouble seeing straight
mircea_popescu: how did
that go, "but my son and my daughter came out of
the water and said papa you'd promised you'd play..."
a111: 2016-10-15 <kmalkki> apu1 also really needs DBREQn asserted
to give access
to USEHDT IR/DR pair
mircea_popescu: which is
the mirror statement of
this -- peasants can be kept packing mud in
the buff by a round
table. 40 knights aren't 4, which aren't 2 etcetera.
mircea_popescu: anyway, much more in
the general --
the republic of intelligent people will only succeed in rendering
the idiots back
to
their chains if it somehow actually gets
the intelligent people involved.
mircea_popescu: so
trb-ing is a huge anti-impedancer for everyone who could be working on it.
mircea_popescu: that's a large part of
the
true problem, i suspect -- people who are
truly capable are VERY used
to labouring in solitude, becauyse hey, ever since about 6
they encountered
the unleashed idiocy of world and formed bad habits.
mircea_popescu: anyway, but
the "i go write
trbi"
thing is not particularly useful as an exercise in solipsism, herculean or otherwise.