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jborkl: oh and the Orangecat post did very poor, so maybe I needed a picture of a funny cat
jborkl: and I get more traffic from Yandex than Bing
Kamuela: but it's fine because value is subjective and i know that whatever i accomplish or don't accomplish won't need to be arbitrarily defined by you, mircea_popescu
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: I do TRY to keep it online. I just feel bad for that outage. The good news is that in that outage I rebuilt both power distribution boards, so hopefully it shouldn't be needed again.
Kamuela: contributing, i suppose. although not by your own measure. but by mine for sure
Kamuela: though i suppose no one agreed this was a debate. you're just talking
Kamuela: i apologize for not knowing all the terms, but you are committing the fallacy known as "name-calling"
Kamuela: look, doing for the sake of doing. just expressing. building. being steve wozniak. it's beautiful and i completely agree with you
mircea_popescu: myeah. point in case i guess.
Kamuela: well another way I'm contributing, I suppose, is moving resources to their highest valued use
Kamuela: who told you i didn't code?
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: I think it's fair, looking at the outage, if you just make it 0.2 rather than 0.22 for this week.
Kamuela: you're just a little bit of a marxist... that's cool... i mean, i don't prefer it, but you are welcome to your own opinion
Kamuela: and yet having the build done by a team that's better and uses time more effectively than i can
Kamuela: i have design work done
Kamuela: i have preplanned the MVP
mircea_popescu: as far as plumbing is concerned, i'm a negligible entity.
mircea_popescu: i guess i could be the plumber's manager for as long as i stfu and don't go much in the way.
mircea_popescu: i also know how the plumber should fix the pipes.
Kamuela: i have to manage the programming team every day
Kamuela: i'm a manager
Kamuela: and i'm not trying to cash in on that
Kamuela: i acknowledge i didn't think of it first
Kamuela: you act like i'm just trying to take something to a patent office
Kamuela: so... because i want to organize a bunch of people who don't know each other, because i interview potential customers, because i will continue to direct operations of both the MVP and later pivots, I am contributing "nothing?"
mircea_popescu: "i thought of it first!!11" or w/e.
Kamuela: i understand trying to eliminate that, but i think that will be done through solving information asymmetry rather than through eliminating... ideas?
mircea_popescu: Kamuela no. i say that within your lifetime, you'll starve with this model of trying to ceo that i perceive you're trying to impl;ement
mircea_popescu: i'll support the idiots of type b directly tyvm
mircea_popescu: i
mircea_popescu: i
mircea_popescu: what i'm trying to impart to you is that this "take capital from idiots of type A and labour from idiots of type B" that silicon valley was built upon is dead in the water.
Kamuela: i don't make money on a crowdfund, this is completely development and marketing runway
Kamuela: i'm asking for capital
Kamuela: who says i'm asking for money?
mircea_popescu: if i wanted to "start it" i'd have started it in 2012. but i don't, because i can't nor should i do everything.
TheNewDeal: I thought he was the funding
TheNewDeal: I actually like that
TheNewDeal: i say i say
nubbins`: you can even get em plaque-mounted, i've seen people do that
mircea_popescu: Kamuela: briefly, a bitcoin work market a la odesk. development team ready << well, the thing is this : we;ve been wanting something like this built for about a year. finding someone to do it is hard, however, and moreover i won't support a would be ceo on op's work. i'd rather deal with the coder guy directly.
TomServo: TheNewDeal: Mind if I PM?
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: yes, please, I was going to remind you about that. Need to figure out the discount though.
TheNewDeal: if I give you a zip code can you figure out shipping costs?
TheNewDeal: haha I guess that may be fair
nubbins`: all i got is testimonials:
TheNewDeal: I do like your work from what I've seen, but I haven't the slightest clue about this one
TomServo: nubbins`: Cool thanks. I'll wait to see it.
Kamuela: so if i found a way to make them shine i'd probably get farther along
nubbins`: TomServo: i'm printing them this week, i do have a digital proof but i'd rather show off pictures of the actual silkscreened version. pics to follow, but you're buying blind if you pre-order ;)
Kamuela: perhaps i'll have to be my own silent partner
Kamuela: i don't mind the real questions, kakobrekla addressed a serious point of "who are you?" that's a real question that has to be answered
punkman: Kamuela, I think your plan is to make it prettier and with more javascripts?
Kamuela: ThickAsThieves: I don't know about the actual total market, but just odesk takes in $80mm
Kamuela: and how are they going to address a cheaper and lower-hassle competitor even with Bitcoin? will they openly say jobs paid in bitcoin are discounted? i don't think they could do that
Kamuela: of course that's a bit of laziness on the part of vetting your customer, but i understand that what i call laziness other people call serving needs, which I completely respect the need to do
Kamuela: punkman: lmao, i don't exactly follow
Kamuela: punkman: not necessarily your experience, but i mean what are you recommending against in particular
punkman: Kamuela, having some experience in the matter, I'd recommend against copying the odesks and the elances
Kamuela: well, I'll ftfy: "either way, there's really no rush for I, pete_dushenski, to help get your idea off the ground"
BingoBoingo: TomServo: They asked for my forum name and I gave it to them after some reluctance
Kamuela: I was indeed being sarcastic
TomServo: BingoBoingo: I would've been thrilled if they used Atruk instead of BingoBoingo. :P
Kamuela: yeah maybe it's a bad thing to mention, i don't want to be lumped into that "ether"
Kamuela: because i'm the guy here asking
Kamuela: many less tangible projects have gotten ridiculous levels of funding, and i am DOING the legwork to make this happen. so when you ask what qualifies me, well, it's because i'm the guy DOING something
Kamuela: far from being combative, i'm looking to understand where you're coming from
Kamuela: and a better question would be: why would I be crowdfunding if i didn't see marginal success somewhere else? it's usually cheaper to get funding within your own circle
Kamuela: pete_dushenski: who else is committed? have you heard of another project to do this? i'd be both willing to contribute and cease competitive efforts if you could point me in that direction
pete_dushenski: Kamuela: why am i the one? because i'm committed to keeping it useful for people as far as it can be taken. i'm not looking to grow and sell out. my interests are aligned with keeping it one of the most decentralized ways to act in the BTC economy << "committed" is in no way a skill as it's here presented any more than a grade school student is committed to not getting an F.
thestringpuller: i shouldn't have said specifically Si, but more like the gold and silver also stored in the IC's
mike_c_on_the_ro: mod6: fixed.. going to dig into root cause when I get home. sorry for the hiccup.
thestringpuller: Damn i need to play this game again
pete_dushenski: decimation: asciilifeform: "it pattern-matches 'derp' and throws my concentration" << yeah I have the same experience. << you gents need better filters!
assbot: How I was wrong : Cuckolding, or a story about sigmas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pete_dushenski: http://trilema.com/2014/how-i-was-wrong-cuckolding-or-a-story-about-sigmas/#comment-106551
BingoBoingo: I was fucking hot outside.
BingoBoingo: mike_c_on_the_ro: Prolly. After I take a shower.
BingoBoingo: Really weird thing was the Agents suggesting that I'd never expect them to find me. I DON"T WORK THAT HARD TO KEEP ANONYMOUS. I just do the minimum to keep poor kids in shitholes from harassing me into giving them money.
BingoBoingo: So I'm looking like a fucking sweaty unkempt hobo meeting with these guys in the front lawn.
mike_c_on_the_ro: just frustrating, i thought i had that fixed.
BingoBoingo: The shitty thing about the ordeal on them asking about the goddamned Silk Road I didn't use was their knocking woke me up from my day-slumber
mike_c_on_the_ro: mod6:;;later tell mike_c need help with WoL << what can I do you for?
BingoBoingo: I'm like if you want to talk shady sports betting sites that ran with user money... I know a couple. Fucking bitcoinsports.eu
BingoBoingo: The seemed so fucking incredulous that I with my unkempt hair and beard, could have somehow not used the silk road
Duffer1: i bought a handmade spalted mable/bubinga keepsake box for bitcoin on saturday
BingoBoingo: They were like no one uses Bitcoin actually at Overstock.com ; I'm like... actually I totally bought a watch and some other shit http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/13/overstock-com-prolly-not-a-scam/
Duffer1: i wonder what makes them believe there's a connection
BingoBoingo: At the time CoinBase wasn't a thing I'd heard of
BingoBoingo: I tried to explain the stupid Devcoin thing I used to get Bitcoins.
BingoBoingo: Nah, Just let them in on all of my nothing I knew about a connection they suspected between DBordello's BTCPack and The Silk Road
TomServo: I mean assbot quoting the actual log entry
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2014 11:09:36; moiety: I really didn't know what to say yesterday but I've had time to think now. I will leave the phone line on for the remainder of the term when I can and update the blog but I won't be able to be on IRC. Since I won't be on IRC anymore, if there is anything I should really know, please leave a message on skype or the blog. The reasons being, this isn't working out for me and I need to focus on working to keep
Kamuela: kakobrekla: it was me, but i've had that domain for years and years (previously) and some of the older stuff definitely reflects being 11 years old!
kakobrekla: (fyi i send everyone there, even ninjashogun - bad cases get slaughtered sooner or later)
kakobrekla: Kamuela well anyway, i can only show you the door, you are the one who has to step through it; http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
Kamuela: who should I be? as a serious question
Kamuela: initially it isn't, it's a single-server application. but ultimately i will seek to develop many methods of access via alternate and distributed networks
Kamuela: why am i the one? because i'm committed to keeping it useful for people as far as it can be taken. i'm not looking to grow and sell out. my interests are aligned with keeping it one of the most decentralized ways to act in the BTC economy
Kamuela: i'd like to keep it within bitcoin's community and equity based because everything else is a crock of sh** honestly. it's not fair to give people merchandise and coupons for something that's going to generate revenue