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adlai actually heard the words "they said it in the factory tour, so it's probably true"
a few days ago
adlai: as slimy as phish may be, it's
a key part of our survival as
a species
nubbins` puts on
a t-shirt with his home address and times when he will be away from his house, then goes to buy drugs w/ gold coins
nubbins`: adlai i mean obviously buying $100k of btc from
a government-approved exchange, immediately purchasing
a porsche with it, keeping change in same address, buying H from silk road, keeping change in same address, buying mpex shares, etc etc
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2014 14:37:30; adlai: how? reuse ties two transactions together as having been signed by the same entity. this is OK for eg
a business wanting to operate transparently, but less so for an individual wanting privacy
mircea_popescu: once this one use per address thing goes away, "associated" is
a lolzword.
mircea_popescu: the key to escaping responsibility if being one of
a group that did whatever. the way to implement this in bitcoin is through address reuse.
nubbins`: secnario 3: adlai and nubs each send
a tx to 1mpexblahblah. they send their change wherever they like.
mircea_popescu: "adlai, you are charged before this court with high crimes of having derped on the internet in
a forbidden manner"
adlai: scenario 2 - alice creates
a transaction paying 1btc to one address, and 1btc to another. it's not trivial to tell (just from the transactions) which address belongs to whom.
adlai: Alice wants to pay Bob
a bitcoin. She has one address with 2btc, so she creates
a transaction sending bob one bitcoin, and one bitcoin change back to her own address. it's trivial to tell which bitcoin is alice's, and which is bob's.
adlai: how? reuse ties two transactions together as having been signed by the same entity. this is OK for eg
a business wanting to operate transparently, but less so for an individual wanting privacy
☟︎ mircea_popescu: not reusing addresses is
a bad idea ; reusing them makes them more ambiguous, which is good.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as
a general point : breaking the address <-> user relation is the most important thing to do for bitcoin's success on an individual level.
adlai: and when you're high enough, what's hashing if not
a lookup in the database of MATHEMATICS ITSELF
mircea_popescu: srsly nao, isn't it obvious by now, whenever immutability is achieved without
a db,
a hash was involved ?
mircea_popescu: so it looks if it sent
a mail for that amount. if it does and the recipient correctly hashes to it, it sends it an email with teh code.
adlai: server restarts for whatever reason, first thing it sees on startup is
a payment with some amount of dust. how does it know which customer was issued that specific dust request, before the reboot?
adlai: you don't need
a database to associate pending payments to their dust amount?
mircea_popescu: adlai anything can happen, but if you don't need
a database you have less exposure to the things that can happen.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile using
a single address has no cost associated, other than you know, one particular string of eight digits as opposed to another particular string of eight digits.
adlai: and this can't happen with
a shitty implementation (or user error) of discrimination based on dust-level change?
mircea_popescu: anyway, that was the van network, it was actuve for like
a month.
adlai: why would you have
a "featured in" section with images of newspapers, but no links to the actual article!?
nubbins`: bit of
a wash with non-newtonian tho hey?
adlai: he puked
a turd
a few days ago
nubbins`: not too surprising from
a creature that will greedily eat feces without compunction
adlai: this is
a bit of an extreme example, and some people would claim that humans get something out of the relationship, ie, psychoactive plants are symbiotic, not parasites
punkman: well maybe I'll give it
a shot after
a decade
punkman: nubbins`: did you ever try
a tincture? I always wondered how that worked
nubbins`: "Based on my own experiments using an adjustable thermocouple-controlled heat gun, I found that the ideal airstream temperature for vaporizing salvinorin
A from dried leaves is approximately 277° C"
nubbins`: who happened to be standing in my bedroom. which was actually
a farm.
nubbins`: my first time with 5x i had
a mental conversation in
a language i didn't speak with an old woman
punkman: first time wtih 5x, I remember having
a 20min conversation with my keyboard
nubbins`: then generally the room/space/forest/whatever would fill with
a heavy static buzz, upward from the ground
nubbins`: *sluuurp* i've never had
a buzz *sluuuurp* like this bef......
punkman: I got
a bunch of now respectable people, drooling like idiots on video
nubbins`: he's
a grown-up, he can buy his own ;p
nubbins`: <+nubbins`> or you're
a sheet of wallpaper in
a strange room
nubbins`: but "o, i am physically in
a different place"
mircea_popescu: "i know exactly how garza scams, having watched
a number of his scams in trhe past, and i can assure you this one's legit"
nubbins`: and i'm telling you that about 20 seconds after you inhale
a lungful of salvia smoke, everything you see and hear and feel around you is just GONE and replaced with something else.
mircea_popescu: in the same vein with "i won
a million bucks in the reader's digest mailing, look!"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im merely bringing the argument that an inclination to be impressed with what one sees and
a tendency to get excited about what's directly seen is more
a thing of youth than
a thing of humanity.
mircea_popescu: seems to me if high temperature is required the correct approach is not
a butane torch but
a thermostat hotplate.
nubbins`: if i'm parsing this correctly, you're equating
a salvia high to
a form of elevated excitement
nubbins`: correct method is to blast it with
a butane torch while inhaling
cazalla: i took 2 aspirin instead of 1 once upon
a time
punkman: was
a long time, but I can attest to that
mircea_popescu: takes
a very impressionable sort. it's more you than it's it
nubbins`: or you're
a sheet of wallpaper in
a strange room
adlai: maybe
a few don't, but nobody listens to them anymore
punkman: adlai, it's also
a stimulant in small doses
adlai: how is
a cup of
a mild opiate
a great substitute for
a mild stim
nubbins`: punkman: hit of 10x salvia extract, great substitute for
a ten-strip of owsley acid
nubbins`: also incidentally, salvinorin is
a kappa-opiod agonist
nubbins`: "Kratom behaves as
a μ-opioid receptor"
mircea_popescu: shall there be no end of this "i smoke oregano the older kids sold to me as
a mockery BECAUSE I ENJOY IT!"
nubbins`: adlai incidentally i was in
a buyer's club for salvia for
a period of time
mircea_popescu: nubbins` and if you're not
a musician NOBODY WILL HEAR ABOUT IT
nubbins`: i mean, sure, if you're
a musician
adlai wouldn't be surprised if many americans addicted to oxy, never took
a "real drug" before
nubbins`: people will choose filet mignon over
a big mac, doesn't mean they're not picking up mcd's every day on the ride home
mircea_popescu: let me put it this way : make
a buffet with 10 lb bowls of pure powder.
mircea_popescu: yes, but geared towards
a different set of objectives.
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's more of
a cargo-cultapproach to this science ("i know it's strong because this is how the doctors use it")
nubbins`: oxys are
a 1.5, IV/IM morphine is
a 3
nubbins`: anyway, with orally-taken morphine as
a "1"
mircea_popescu: oxycodone is an "opiate" in the sense your average 300 lb social sciences postgrad is
a "woman"
nubbins`: you have no fucking idea how people can get addicted to snorting opiates, compressing
a controlled 24-hour release into about half an hour?
adlai: well being addicted to the rush is
a whole separate beast
mircea_popescu: i totally care what
a bunch of fucktards report, it's like, tantamout to science this.
mircea_popescu: the oxycodone aka heorin argument sounds to me like
a hipster's bike aka armored persone carrier argument
adlai: you don't have to own
a needle or
a crack pipe to be an addict
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adlai: well, maybe not gun *running*, but it's definitely
a brisker trade than SR
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2014 04:41:18; decimation: I'm okay with
a high VAT/GST/sales tax if it comes with no income tax